I got some encouraging indications about my Public Domain Radio playlist this morning. I wrote up a summary of what I've been doing along with a list of the songs and posted the same copy on 4 part 15 related forums; mbcf.boards.net, hfunderground.com/board/index.php?board=44.0 (part 15 board), antiqueradios.com, and facebook.com/groups/part15broadcasters. Then immediately after that went over to my ZenoRadio page and was surprised to see I had 7 listeners spread across 3 countries! - I've never seen more than 4 listeners and two countries (one being New Zealand). For some reason Zeno seems to count Canada and the U.S. as one country.. when there's only 1 listener (me) it says 1 listener and 1 country, but the map always has Canada and the US highlighted.. so I don't know what's that about..
But then within a few minutes it started climbing, 9, 11, 14,.. 17 listeners spread across now 4 countries! It was exciting watch the numbers climb... Then I lost 2 of them .. but, over an hour later I still have the same 15 people from four countries tuned in! -constant, not coming in and out.. whoever they are my playlist has held them for over an hour now!
At 5:20 this morning I had 17 listeners across 4 countries:
It's now 6:45 and it's been holding at 15 listeners amongst 4 countries:
Over three hours now! It climbed back up to 17 again then dropped to 16, and settled back to the 15 listeners. I suppose it sounds silly being enthused about less a measly 15 online listeners but it's a big deal to me because those 15 people are still tuned in after 3 hours! That tells me I'm not the only one who likes it!
Those other countries are The British Isles (UK + Ireland), and parts of Scandinavia (Norway + Sweden).. Zeno shows me 4 countries have been constantly tuned in since about 5:30 this morning (my time EST) and it's now just after 9:00, three and a half hours! - I've been watching the count, since my earlier post it's gone as high as 18 a couple times and then settled on 16 listeners for a long time and then moved back down to 15 - once dropping to 14 for only about 2 minutes, then back up to 15 where it's at right now. This is so surprising to me.. what's got those overseas so interested to stay tuned in for hours? And where did they come from? HfUnderground or Facebook is my best guess.
@mark Well, I've posted the link to it here several times, but I'm not actually streaming from home, ZenoRadio has a thing called "AutoDJ", I just upload the song to their cloud storage and select random play. I got in on it when it was still free (I tried to get you and Artesian to sign up before the free went away), my free plan allows me to have up to 200 songs in the playlist, which I have set to "shuffle", I don't even know which song is going to play next, but I've got about 8 solid hours or more of music up there.
At around noon today I lost one country but still had 15 listeners.. just now I looked and it's currently have only 8 listeners, 3 countries. - still twice as many as I've ever had before and it hasn't been less than that all day (it's 2:28 now).. I'm really curious about these overseas listeners..
Yesterday my station never dropped to below 15 listeners in 3 countries until about three in the afternoon, the eventually dropped to an average of 6-8 listeners also in 3 countries and held there until about midnight and then they all disappeared completely. - Not so today though, I haven't noticed even one listener today.
I find it so peculiar that numerous listeners in Ireland, Norway and Sweden were connected consistently yesterday for about 16 hours straight. In fact I observed it in alternative browsers to make sure that I was getting accurate refreshed data - But today, there's nothing at all, nill.
Oh.. by the way... Now my best guess is that all those listeners came from my post on HFunderground, because my post on antiqueradios got flagged as a bit or something and was deleted, and the one in Facebook is awaiting moderation or something so neither of those post were ever seen, and Mbcf doesn't get enough traffic to account for such an influx and I've been posting about it here for months and never had more than maybe 4 listeners in 1 country. So it appears my post at HFunderground is what prompted that huge influx, although no one there commented about it.
On May 3, these were the overseas countries that were consistently connected all day long
From my map screenshot on May 3, besides the US and Canada it showed these countries also, I thought the big blue one was Sweden, but now that I've figured out how to look at my more detailed stats it doesn't say anything about Sweden ever listening (I really don't know geography).
But anyway, I got curious and dug out the specifics of May 3, and if I interpret correctly, I had 1 listener for 18
US 75 sessions, 8 unique IPs, TLH 47.26 Ireland 0 sessions, 1 unique IP TLH: 18.20 UK 2 sessions 2 unique IP TLH: 14.40
So, if I interpret correctly, on May 3 I had:
1 listener in Ireland that listened consistently for 18 hours straight.
2 listeners in the UK that listened for a total of 14 and a half hours
8 people in U.S that popped in and out for a group grand total of 47 hours
What most interest me are the 3 people that had constantly stayed connected to my stream all day long that day... and then haven't returned once since..
What I suspect is that they were recording it - of course I have no way of knowing this, but to actually hear every song on my shuffled Zeno playlist (which I had posted a list of) would probably take about 14 to 18 hours because it doesn't go through the whole list without repeats on Zeno.
My suspicion? They recorded it to bootleg CDs or something? - you know, something unique and royalty free..
Does that sound like a ridiculous presumption? - I don't know, but I find it peculiar that they've never listened before or since that day I posted the link
What your guess on the story behind the all-day one time connection?
Some of those IPs were likely bots, scanning for open ports. When I was running a stream I used to get those all the time. They connect, and leave rather quickly.
For those that stayed connected, your guess is as good as mine. Recording is a good guess.
But as for reconnects and continuous listeners day after day, your short playlist would probably make that somewhat repetitive after time.
'Advertising' in forums is a great way to get listeners. Otherwise, with the tens and hundreds of thousands of streams out there, you'd never be found.
I once collaborated with one of my programmers who was really into Cliff Richard. We came up with a playlist of about 1000 songs (by Cliff Richard and those associated with him), with voice tracking (him, not me). It was promoted on websites that were devoted to Cliff and forums, including his various fan clubs. We then had a Cliff Richard weekend, with that playlist playing continuously.
From having numbers of listeners you could count on one hand, that weekend we were continuously above 100 listeners. We were maxing out our bandwidth at times with 125-135.
When the weekend finished, our listener count was still elevated (you could maybe count the numbers on two hands!) and it stayed that way.
People are curious, and will tune in for long stretches with something new, but to keep those listeners - that's the key. Out of those hundreds of IPs and listeners that tuned in during the weekend, some liked the station enough to come back.
For the rest, it was an enjoyable novelty.
I would think that you would need a lot longer playlist to retain listeners. 3-5 days at least, so that there's a good chance that listeners will hear something new if they retune in.
And maybe some other features. Such as the history of the various songs played (maybe accompanying that particular song - I know you have short intros, but I'm thinking a few minutes). Not every time the song is played, just occasionally, to keep things fresh and interesting.
You may also want to assert your copyright on what you're (assuming that you have the rights - I think you said that if you have a subscription, you get the rights to whatever the AI generates). And also assuming that you want to.
But as for reconnects and continuous listeners day after day, your short playlist would probably make that somewhat repetitive after time....
..I would think that you would need a lot longer playlist to retain listeners. 3-5 days at least, so that there's a good chance that listeners will hear something new if they retune in.
And maybe some other features. Such as the history of the various songs played (maybe accompanying that particular song - I know you have short intros, but I'm thinking a few minutes). Not every time the song is played, just occasionally, to keep things fresh and interesting.
Artesian, you would have to listen for at least 8 to 10 hours nonstop to even begin to hear the majority of the over 180+ songs I have up there, not sure why you call mine a short playlist. I notice I can be playing it all day long and often not heat any of some of my favorites (I actually considered narrowing the online playlist down to 40 orr 50 of the songs I like best and then rotating them every once in a while, but I haven't done that, instead I've done just the opposite and have combined several songs back-to-back into a single file (so Suno counts them as 1 song) because I exceeded the maximum of 200 songs it permits in the auto-dj playlist of Zeno's free plan. Also, I've made DJ intros or outros to almost every song that tells you who wrote it, the year originally published and any interesting backstory, and not all are short intros, several are 1 or 2 minutes long it's actually part of the mp3 (although I also have copies without DJ introductions, most all of those online include the history of the song
You may also want to assert your copyright on what you're (assuming that you have the rights - I think you said that if you have a subscription, you get the rights to whatever the AI generates). And also assuming that you want to.
Yeah, I've been on a pro-plan for awhile now, originally it was the $10 a month pro plan, but I upgraded to the $30 a month plan because I found I kept running out of credits right when I was in the middle of something. The $30 plan is more than I usually use (although I did run out one time 3 days before it renewed, but usually it's more than enough for me).
So yes, I the pro plan does give me exclusive rights through Suno. But as for copyrighting that's a different story.. What would I copyright? It's not my lyrics, and it doesn't appear I could copyright the compositions if I wanted to. I could however create an album and copyrite it's as a whole.. there are restrictions to copywriting ai creations but it can be done, but it's tricky and the rules to do so are still in a state of flux, the copyright powers that be are still trying to figure out how to deal with AI music.
I just set the playlist on repeat or shuffle after shuffling the playlist at first(Salamandra) and it goes through in order but shuffles when it repeats. The time on the playlist says 114 hours rounded off, close to 5 days figuring 24 hours a day. Most won't listen for 24 hours a day, or even every day. If playlist gets too big a listener hears a song and wants to hear it again and may never. Has to be a balance with having a large playlist and too big.
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Yeah, I think back to the broadcasting on the pier and pavilion days, back when Napster was still around. I had no less than 3,000 or 4,000 song playlist on it, possibly more, while the same songs simultaneously played on the amplified speakers (directly) and it was always LOUD, a lot of drinking and dancing used to go on up there regularly - Anyway, yeah, I had it on random in Zara, and agree I noticed repeats all the time even with such a large playlist.
So right, 200 songs is nothing, so I see your point, but is it incorrect to say most licenced stations still tend to air only the top 40 or top 100 or whatever? So in that respect 200 songs isn't so small a playlist.
200 songs is however a lot of songs to create from scratch using 100 year old sheet music lyrics! Even with Suno doing all the heavy lifting, I must have spent close to at least thousand hours putting these public domain songs together by now.. and still adding a song or two everyday.. at the least a few hours per song in most cases, so in that respect I consider 200 songs a big playlist!
