... Bill (DeFelice) has pegged R.Fry, and I believe rightly so, as anti-Part 15 ...
Interesting, in that my posts here and on Pt 15 boards elsewhere are based strictly on physical principles applying to _compliant_ Part 15 systems. Engineering data has been provided in my posts to show this; the accuracy of which has not disproven by those who want to believe otherwise.
So who is anti-Part 15 in this scenario -- those who post physical realities about such systems, or those who post wishful thinking and guesswork while denying reality?
... and dangerous to Part 15 broadcasting as defined and practiced here and at HB. ...
Note that a Part 15 system is not defined by any Part 15 board or its users. It is defined by FCC Part 15.
Operation compliant with Part 15 is best accomplished by those who take the time and do the research to understand how that can be done, and then do it.
The big danger to Part 15 is people who don't fully understand it but think they do, and/or who operate beyond its limitations either by choice or misunderstanding.
I personally invite everyone at HB to join here. We'd have some interesting discussions. And all are equal.
Even when I started Online Radio and wanted to check onto an FM Transmitter I googled and found Hobby Broadcaster. Karl I can't spell his last name rented me a Shoutcast server from KWD Services and I used it for a while. I went from him to Loudcaster then to a few other Shoutcast servers till I found an Icecast server at Djc Media that could allow serving ads. The point was Karl told me about his part 15 AM station because of all the Internet issues back then. I read a few good articles over at Hobby Broadcaster but never really joined it. By the way I finally registered over there just to see if I'd be banned for my involvement in the FM Initiative. When you sign up it sounds like your signing up for the armey. You have to tell them in 256 words why you want to join their site. Its part 15 Radio most want to learn and share information. Your also limited to how many words you can type. But I finally got it to fit. I was going to explain my involvement in the FM initiative and that I still want to learn about AM since I have a station on it. Can't really explain much in that section. Now its a wait and see if I'm welcome there. I'm not going to hold my breath but if I am I'm not gonna start trouble there. I'm just gonna be like any other simple member over there. I'm just a person wanting to read info. Yes he may not agree with everything we do and so be it. But reading some other info on how others have set up inside installations will help me too. If I am not welcome so be it life will go on and my station will still operate. If welcome I'll learn from others over there although maybe not agree with everything but at least I can see both sides. Gee I feel like a spy doing some criminal activity.
Bruce, I signed on to the HB site after all this went down between you and Bill. So I don't know the full conversation as it transpired online. A few of the posters on that site can be "loyalists." A couple of them have nailed me. So it goes.
Bill and I disagree on things at times and, yes, he can, on occasions, get a bit touchy about it. For example (and many of you here may disagree with me), I'm a major proponent of all-digital FM. I think it's the only solution to an overcrowded band and can potentially open up hundreds more channels for new stations. Bil is totally against it and we have sparred back and forth on the issue more then once. So it goes.
Disagree without being disagreeable, I say.
But I have no intention of coming here to "debate." Look for ideas, sure. Share some knowledge, absolutely. But not debate. To me, that destroys the fun of Part 15 Broadcasting.
When public accusations are made against individuals, for example calling a person "anti part 15," there should be some evidence given. That's a complaint I have.
I have heard for years that some HAMS, for one example, are totally "anti part 15." But I've looked and looked and cannot find one anti part 15 HAM who will come forward and talk about about WHY they hate part 15.
Who else might be against part 15? Some broadcast radio engineers maybe? I don't know, I hear all these murmers about anti part 15 people, but who are they and where are they?
there is a guy in massachusetts, forget exactly where, but his name is Richard B. Johnson, he is anti everything that is not licensed radio, part 15, pirate, etc.
and it is purported that he has taken to vigilantism in some cases.
what publically available info i have been able to locate on him seems to indicate that he might not be all there upstairs.
i can't validate the info i located but if some of what i read is true, this guy is a real loose canon.
he used to be active on a few email lists i'm on and he is ultra conservative and ultra conspiracy paranoid type personality based on what i have seen him write over the course of the last ten years or so.
he recently dropped off the map and i don't see much from him on the email list anymore.
In reply to the post #50 created by Carl Blair where he stated:
"Who else might be against part 15? Some broadcast radio engineers maybe? I don't know, I hear all these murmers about anti part 15 people, but who are they and where are they?"
They are on websites and forum boards dedicated to COMMERCIAL broadcasting, be it Television or radio broadcasting.
These very same people are also anti-LPFM as well.
As a point of interest.......
Bill Defelice is also a member of a lot of those message boards.
Bruce.
FWIW Legacy, Bill isn't against part 15 FM. Like a lot of us, I think he simply wrote it off as being useless under current rules. There's been plenty of FM users on HB.
I signed up to all the radio boards around the same the time, so I signed up before a lot of ill will was to be had. At the time the Radio-Info boards were the most popular, though their part 15 page was meh at best and pretty pro pirate. This site and HB were both about the same in knowledge in the boards, HB having more lab testing capabilities however.
In all honesty, this site was better when it was just one forum. The whole atmosphere changed after the forum was split up and the site got sold.
Differences aside, there are great people on both sites with good heads on their shoulders. If everyone could get past the bull imagine what we could do.
@Bruce I THINK he's likely a member of those boards because he's in the industry as a professional. I'm on a few "pro" radio boards because of my day job myself.
HeHe.. I got banned over there for not posting enough! Go Figure..
As for Rich.. I'm proud to have him as a member here. Where else are ya gonna find an engineer with his wisdon and knowledge, willing to hang out with us low power wannabees, and try to keep us in check with reality? Luv ya, Man.. 🙂
IMO, Both sites are doing the same thing. Promoting and discussing low power radio stuff. The big difference that I see is this site has a bunch of empty pockets and limited time and the other place has better funding (it seems) and lots more time to fiddle around and play with their toys. I love experimenting but I can't afford to be obsessed, ya know what I mean.. 🙂
I'd much perfer to be somewhere I feel comfortable than feel the need to wear a tie and be careful of who I disagree with. That ain't no fun..
I may not post a bunch but I do read. I've been through the rise and fall of the Part-15 fever. I still have several transmitters and I might git them back out someday. For now, I'm building portable Bluetooth Boom Boxes. (The other end of the spectrum)
Guess I'll be a member here until I die or get booted. I love this place, BTW..
I've been on this Forum for about 9 years now, ever since I started up my (Canadian equivalent) Part 15 FM station. I actually think that there's far more respect here amongst members now than in the past. There were several of those 'touchy' individuals here back then, but they all eventually moved on, voluntarily and otherwise.
Unfortunately, my past interactions with Bill and a few others at Hobbybroadcaster have not been pleasant. I don't expect to agree with everyone. In fact, I think that argument and debate provide the fundamentals for learning. That being said, it's important that people critique WHAT is being said, logically and rationally. Ad hominem attacks have no place in any discussion, and yet that has been my experience with them (and it hasn't been limited to myself). They're not valid logically, and they're certainly not professional.
I hear what Carmine5 and Mighty1650 are saying. I'm not willing to just accept that Bill and the others have changed their attitudes. But I am willing to step back and see what happens in the next while.
That being said, if I think criticism (or praise) is warranted, I'm going to give it. As I said before, I speak my mind. In a measured, logical fashion.
I did log on to the site and I was actually not banned. I did admit to starting the FM initiative and still was not banned. I actually expected to be banned for my involvement in FM. I even mentioned the SainSonic and my concern because of the washing of the dial at 10 feet and admitted that most likely is gray area and mentioned that the Hole House 2.0 (I actually didn't name the transmitter) caused issues on a spectrum analyzer a hobbyist had. I mentioned the Patomac FIM 71 and the test that proved that some of what we all think is legal is actually over the limit and certified and that was why I was trying AM. Bill has to approve all messages not before they are posted (lots of the cell phone boards are like that in which i'm involved with). The only thing he asked was that I talk about this in the technical portions of the forum so it does not get buried. So maybe though he may or may not have liked my involvement in the FM Initiative he never acted in an ill way towards me. I hope I can learn from both sides and maybe later I'll talk a little about both AM and FM over their but for now I'm wanting to see what he has to say about the iAM transmitter and inside antennas as well as his experience with it. Who knows he may give advice on a good inside antenna too. At least he knows what the anti part 15 folks think and he probably tries to prepare us for the worst I don't know. He is older than I am that is for sure. I know he had a broadcast engineer help in the transmitter challenge as well. The person who helped certify the iAM transmitter was a professional broadcaster and a part 15 enthusiast as well. If we could learn and maybe work on ways to allow part 15 to co exist with broadcast stations without the fear of interference can be a good thing. We need to unite if we can.
I don't know and maybe never will why so many folks wanted to attack Mr Bruce until they come out and explain why his FM station was a threat to the person who filed the complaint. Even Bruce explained to me FM was crowded over in his neck of the woods. That said maybe that in itself was a concern. Plus broadcast stations know way before hand of another station coming on the air. They talk about other stations. Someone mentions WXTZ and a broadcaster may say “I never heard of that station!” they may ask what frequency is the station on and after hearing it for themselves could decide “Oh we have us a Pirate!” Now this was talked about by Bruce and I and even though I'm on AM someone could say “I never heard of The Legacy What frequency is he on?” they could think I'm a Pirate and call the FCC in which if they so desired come and check me out. After they see my TX well the worst thing that could happen they ask me to stop but I don't see that because there is not hardly any AM stations here so they may say “Who Cares about him.”
TheLegacy I wish you luck over there.
One major piece of advice, watch what you say, check your typos closely, example, a simple typo such as I DID versus I DIDN'T can get you into trouble. I am terrible with typing and can't see certain type. I can see the published type better then I can see the editer type.
I've created posts that got me into trouble because the time limit runs out before I catch my stupid typos. Like you, I am losing my eyesight, so I see with clouded dark vision and have a hard time focusing on things such as type on a screen.
Over there, one small mistake could get you flagged and once your time limit is up, your post is permanently published and subject to criticism, so watch your words closely before you hit that post button.
Bruce.
That is good advice Bruce. I used Apache Open Office to type my stuff and check the spelling before I post. Its got me into trouble on other sites so I use the Apache Open Office (which is free by the way) to type first then paste it into the area where you type on the site. There is pro's and con's I am sure. FWIW I love it here. Love the open discussions here and the fact that we have experimented and found stuff that helped us before we tried to petition. Plus our helpfulness of others is something you don't find in other places. I just hope we can really get other part 15 enthusiasts together to share more information.
Artisan said: "In a measured, logical fashion."
I said: That is an incomplete sentence. 🙂
A semi-colon will take care of that.