There are many BETS classifications BETS-1,2,3,4.....8,9,etc. Also RSS-123 which the MS 100 and the LX 75 are also certified for but that needs a licence. Michael Carrier was careful to point that out to me.
Mark
Case in point was when an agent said it was legal to transmit 1,000 Ft on FM. However the written rules say for 15:239 that the legal limit is 250 uV/m @ 3 meters. So yes Mark you have a good point too about Michial Carrier who is the president of Decade Transmitters. I'm sure he has used these as well. I'd go by the written BETS-1 rules for now. Also interesting about the person who connected the Decade MS-100 to an outside antenna and was simply told not to do that. Canada seems very lenient on the rules. These are things we can continue to make notes about so we can construct a petition.
I've talked to Decade in the past (maybe even Michael) and they've been very helpful to me.
This is a very perplexing situation. Several offices of Industry Canada (the regulator) are saying one thing. And yes, BETS-1 was being talked about. Decade, the manufacturer of the only certified BETS-1 transmitter is saying another.
I don't need to talk to Decade. I understand their position, and I did believe that as well.
Ridge Radio was running under BETS-1 and they got a Radio Station License, as well as call letters and a frequency.
There are currently 2 e-mails into Industry Canada asking for a clarification of their statement that a Radio Station License is required for BETS-1 - one into the Toronto office, and one into the Vancouver office. We'll have to see what they say.
And don't get me wrong. I really hope that the information that these 3 individuals have been given (one of them me) is wrong, and that that Radio Station License is not required.
in the USA it is not a regulation until it has been updated on the federal registrar which also gets updated on the FCC website.
as far as i would be concered. if it isn't in black and white on their website that you need a license for BETS-1 then you don't need a license until that gets updated to reflect any new rules. if IC pays you a visit then you refer them to their own website.
OK, I've been doing a bit more research.
Here is a link to the Radio Station Licensing documents on the Industry Canada website. Note that under the sections for exemptions, BETS, and specifically, BETS-1, is not mentioned. RSS210 is, as well as the amateur radio service.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf00023.html#TOC2_3
Note Section 5. Also section 4, which links to a fee structure table. BETS doesn't really fall within any category that I can see.
This is all quite a mess, and I don't think it's worthwhile speculating any further (one way or the other) until I get a definitive answer back from Industry Canada.
Reply to kc8gpd. In spite of Decade's emphatic statement that no licenses are ever required for BETS-1, that is not quite true, even as stated within the rules. For example, those rules state that the CRTC reserves the right to require that a BETS broadcast undertaking get a CRTC license, even if all the exemption criteria are met. I haven't found similar language for the various Industry Canada licenses, and I'm still looking. Based on what I've found so far, all this information appears to be spread out over a number of documents and regulations (and even on the CRTC website). It's pretty difficult to find something when you don't know it exists. Supposedly the Industry Canada representatives are there to help guide people through the maze.
Artisan Radio why not contact the CRTC in Canada and see what they say as well? Its a shot.
What a mess!
I have confidence in you hard working guys to get this sorted out.
I also have to second the motion toward Carl, I know Rich irritates you, but he does provide some useful legal information and feel attacking him all the time is counter-productive.
We all have the right to oppose, but if there wasn't two sides to everything, life would be quite boring in my opinion.
To the rest of you, every bit of time and information you provide the rest of us here, is in my personal opinion, very much appreciated! Keep up the great job you are doing for the rest of us who come here for the knowledge.
Bruce.
Donald Trump is causing a lot of agitation about people from the south coming up through Mexico, yet we never hear a word about radio in Mexico.
It's Canada that has, as we've just learned, incomprehensible rules for low power radio. We should build a fence across the entire border.
Mark and MrBruce, thank you for speaking in defense of Rich.
Carl said: "Donald Trump is causing a lot of agitation about people from the south coming up through Mexico, yet we never hear a word about radio in Mexico."
I said: Sorry about the ad but enjoy anyway.
Loved it, John WDCX.
Whoa oh radio.