First of all, a few posts above I DID correct my statement about the power situation.
I "jumped" to that conclusion after reading the certification paperwork that was submitted to the FCC that points out in SEVERAL places that the mini-USB port had been disabled and no longer served any purpose. After reading, in their own FCC test submission that this port DID NOTHING I removed the brand new power adapter from the package and tried it, and it did nothing. Exactly what their FCC filed paperwork said it would do. Nothing. After reading the FCC paperwork I found exactly what they said -- a unit that had a non-functioning mini-USB port. The link to their FCC paperwork is in the posts above.
You seem to be ignoring that in EVERY test I conducted this unit was WELL OVER the legal limit. WELL OVER. Even allowing for tolerances intesting, it was illegal. Adding an audio cable or power cable greatly increased the output, making it even MORE illegal. This was tested with the SAME two testing devices the FCC uses. I have over 40 years experience as a broadcast radio engineer. I know how to do the tests. So, great. You get nice range with your ILLEGAL transmitter, and even BETTER coverage when you bump it up to a substantially MORE illegal setting!
You brag about your coverage. Of course, as the unit may very well be putting out well over the legal limit. On high power you're of course WAY over what's allowed in the USA, and in fact are over the Canadian limit as well.
As has been discussed before, a car radio is NO test of range or legal power output. If you were getting 1/4 mile range it was OBVIOUSLY illegal, unless you've found a way to defy the laws of physics.
What it was "intended to do" according to the large print on the box was broadcast "up to 150 feet" around the house. Says so right on it. 1/4 mile is NOT POSSIBLE with LEGAL power, at least not without setting up a very sensitive receive antenna and a very good radio, and even then, it's not likely. Noe ONE field strength reading was even CLOSE to being legal.
So, yes, my tests show it's an illegal transmitter which classifies it as a "scam" to me. And it shipped with a non-working power supply, after they filed with the FCC that it now only operates on battery power. Says so right in their filing.
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Clearly, however, I do have trouble attaching replies to the correct messages 🙂
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As I mentioned in an earler post, both SainSonic and Whole House were evaluated by the same lab. That to me is suspect. Is it possible that both were made in the same plant? It appears the lab rigged the test procedures to get compliance. That being sad they also pulled the compliance approval from the FCC. What do you all think?
Well, it has an FCC appoval on it, and it's on the FCC's web site, so if you get nailed for using it in US power mode, can they really do anything to you?
The operator of a part 15 station is responsible for his field strength on 15.239.
The FCC doesn't care what the transmitter is.
The certification only exists to allow the manufacturer to legally sell the transmitter, it doesn't confer any special protection to the user.
it's on the FCC's web site, so if you get nailed for using it in US power mode, can they really do anything to you?
Yes. It doesn't matter whether or not a transmitter is FCC-certified if it is not being operated in compliance with Part 15.
Certification is like insurance. When you need it, it's not there. It's only for peace of mind when you don't need it.
Why did they even give you a power supply if the darn thing don't work. What crooks these guys are. And to boot people think the Transmitter came from Portage, Michigan in which it does not. Its a Chinese knock off of the Signstek CZE-T200 sold on Amazon for FAR LESS. Plus that transmitter has a low power mode that goes 150 feet and there are 4 levels. Plus to boot that one has a rechargable battery in it. It was less than I paid for my SainSonic AX-05B too mind you. Its not certified but my point is that their Low power mode I bet comes closer to LEGAL than this Whole House FM Transmitter 3.0 does. I'd still like to see that one too on a spectrum analyzer to see what spurs this thing had. Another website said that transmitter was pure T junk and made cheap and made a claim that if you threw that transmitter on the air it would get you in serious trouble right away. Before Tim did his tests I didn't understand why. Now I know. Thanks again Tim. Looks like AM will be the place to play for me. Saving for the AM Transmitter now.
No one normally buying this transmitter would have one of these meters and would use this product in good faith assuming that the company is honest, have done the work behind the scenes and are offering a product that is consistant with what is stated. If in fact it is a fraud and is misrepresented the company, not you should be resposible and should suffer the consequences. Put them out of business! They on conviction should have to pay millions back to the customers.
I don't think you will find this with the CM-10 which I am waiting patiently to hear the test results. The CM-10 is A/C 12 volt power supply...no batteries. hope you can get power at the test site....although you could get 12 volts in batteries with a correct connector. I am 100% sure that Decade isn't anything like TAW Global! They have an engineer and real technicians and have the same meter as you. Everything is checked when sent out. Also a review on Hobbybroadcaster lab tests gave Decade a thumbs up on everything except the fact it is stereo only and the MS-100 was flawless.
Mark
Reply #37 stated: Certification is like insurance. When you need it, it's not there.
Use of a Part 15 transmitter actually having a legitimate FCC certification does not immunize its users from FCC actions if such users install/adjust those transmit systems to be non-compliant with Part 15, as determined by the on-site measurement/inspection of the FCC.
A well-known example of this occurred for a "Part 15 AM" operator in Oregon a few years ago -- even though that operator appeared to have pointed out to the FCC that his installation merely followed the published suggestions of the manufacturer for the installation of that transmitter.
Somehow, Rich, what you say doesn't jive with what Tim proved: "Use of a Part 15 transmitter actually having a legitimate FCC certification does not immunize its users from FCC actions if such users install/adjust those transmit systems to be non-compliant with Part 15, as determined by the on-site measurement/inspection of the FCC."
The main point of Tim's discovery is that a supposedly "legitimate" certified FM transmitter was producing field strength well above levels allowed under 15.239. It is therefore off point for you to mention "if such users install/adjust those transmit systems to be non-compliant."
You should be talking about users of good faith who are sent non-compliant "certified" transmitters.
Unless you have a reason to disrupt the discussion through non sequitor.
The main point of Tim's discovery is that a supposedly "legitimate" certified FM transmitter was producing field strength well above levels allowed under 15.239.
And my main point (which apparently Mr Blare did not comprehend) was that operators subject to FCC jurisdiction when using unlicensed transmit systems in the AM/FM broadcast bands are still liable to FCC action for non-compliance of such installed systems using certified transmitters.
If the common ordenary man/woman does not own an $18,000 Patomac FIM 71 and they DID NOT use the secret high power mode nor did they use the wire antenna and yet when uncle Charlie comes a knocking the user who baught the transmitter is in trouble for operating the transmitter not the one who sold it to the user. This should never be. When it has the legit looking FCC label the user is depending on the factory that they done their job correctly. I fell that if the FCC comes to your house and your using everything certified and it was out of the pakage non modified in any way you should be able to get a recommendation from the FCC on which transmitter is OK with them to use. Looking at some of the numbers in the readings of the NOUO's slightly above legal limit the values were almost dead on with what Tim found. So Whole House FM Transmitter should be required to take the heat and be forced to give the customer a poperly working Transmitter without all the things that violate the rules and or cause interference.
... So Whole House FM Transmitter should be required to take the heat and be forced to give the customer a poperly working Transmitter without all the things that violate the rules and or cause interference.
Kindly note that the installation configuration of a "Part 15" setup (including the transmit antenna configuration, the frequency, and the output power even selected by a secret switch) all are the choices of the operator of that transmitter.
Rich, you are the one who, so many times, have given the sensible and reasonable advice that persons wishing to remain safely compliant with 15.239 (we're talking about FM, so please don't refer to KENC, an ancient AM folk tale), should take the safe route by employing a certified FM transmitter according to the manufacturers instructions.
Yet, you contradict this good advice in two further positions you have posted: you have implied that manufacturers have a commercial interest in promoting their product and may be less than honest in their advice, and you have most recently renewed your chant that it's the user's fault if the field strength is too high, despite Tim having proven that one certified transmitter is set WAY too high for acceptable compliance.
That is what I comprehend.