Time to Create a Facebook Account To Petition the FCC

I have a slightly different (but related) take on that, Carl.

Whenever I interact with individuals, or a group (such as this), I'm more concerned with the atmosphere, or vibe, than anything else.

The vibe I get from this Forum, the ALPB (particularly recently) and the Facebook page (as well as the hopefully-soon-to-be-created Twitter account) is one of youth and enthusiasm.  And I'm not talking about physical age, here.  For the most part, we talk about what we CAN do.

Contrast that vibe to elsewhere.  I'm reminded of a bunch of complaining old farts, sitting around a checkerboard, while reliving past glories and slowly fading into the sunset.  They talk, for the most part, about what they (and others) CAN'T do.

There are certainly difficulties with the former situation.  We're sometimes rough around the edges.  We can get carried away and go off on tangents - it's a lot more difficult to direct the conversations toward a conclusion when everyone has an equal say and there are lots of disagreements.  As opposed to elsewhere, where there is one individual (a 'godfather', if you will) who controls everything, and everyone else follows along.

You can see the results of the latter attitude in Carmine5's posts.  They certainly attempt to spread a dark cloud around an otherwise positive and even exciting initiative and discussion.

You know, it's not even the end results that count.  When you really love what you're doing, and want to push the boundaries, you learn a whole heck of a lot, and have fun while doing it.

It's the journey that really matters.

Contrast that vibe to elsewhere.  I'm reminded of a bunch of complaining old farts, sitting around a checkerboard, while reliving past glories and slowly fading into the sunset.

Very well said, Artisan.

Amen, AR

I'm not the kind of person that rolls over if there's something I'm interested in getting done, and this is for the commnunity. This isn't about ego or sticking it to the FCC. This is about growing a community over something I've loved since the 70s. I'm not going to listen to some old farts saying "you can't do that". All that does it push me to show that I CAN do that.

Well, Carmine5 has called us "insane" on the other place.

He doesn't understand what we're trying to do, obviously.

In fact, that entire thread is filled with "get off my lawn" types.

As Scotty says, "And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon".

Forward thinking, people.

EDIT: Also, read two posts above that. 

"You have pirates from milliwatts to watts to tens of watts or more. If you have the reckless running the show do you think the ones with the rulebook are going to pay them any attention?"

Again, nobody here's a pirate, or professing becoming one. We're trying to do something good for the community. Legally. Why the people at HB think everyone's a pirate is beyond me. I know I made the right choice coming here.

Earlier in this thread Carmine5 posted, "... I wanted to address the misunderstanding on the "98 feet" rule ...

Below is the text on this subject that I posted recently in another thread on Part15.us.

Though Carmine5 just stated that he won't be posting on Part15.us in the future, hopefully he or some of his Hobby friends will read/relay this information.

Carmine5 has a good technical background, and we all should regret that he has decided not to contribute further to Part15.us.

I hope he will change his mind about that.

Ditto for Ermi Roos, who previously was an active poster here.

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Good God! I'm no longer a member there and I still have to hear about their measurable attitudes. I got booted from there for NOT agreeing with their destructive negative two faced attitudes.

I just wish the FCC would shut that site down. Their stance is if you're not kissing their butts you're a law breaking citizen, doesn't matter what subject it is about, it's not just about AM or FM, it's everything with them.

I now present you with "Grumpy Old Men - part 4"

I came here, because of the positive attitudes you all have here and no one here is two faced either, that is what makes the hobby worth being a part of, when you have friends who are looking for positive change for the better of mankind.

Bruce.

I don't think adding fee's (High ones) is a good idea. It will push the service into the same lump as commercial. If you do charge a fee it should be no more than the cost for a Rhapsody, Spotify, Mog, Live365 subscription. Maybe a “fee” added the price of the enhanced transmitters could go into the NAB's pocket sort of how the CRIA makes you pay extra for CD's and HDD's and a certain percentage goes to the artists. Lets talk about why they cry foul. I do like the idea of the fact that VLP or Enhanced part 15 can get more folks to see the value in Radio. Maybe we could play some NAB commercials and do this in exchange for our being able to have the expanded range. Plus since my Internet station has trigger files for those Wal Mart, AT&T, Guitar Center ads you hear on the Internet when you listen to The Legacy over the FM side you'll year Buzzed Driving is drunk driving, Stop the Texts and stop the wreaks, Online Collages and Laptops for college and more. In some ways I've become unrealized by myself a community announcement Radio station just like the college station I did some Radio on WOCR in Olivet, Michigan. It can work where the NAB could benefit from hobby broadcasters. Another thing their gonna cry about is “why should we allow you to broadcast for $100 or less when we spent more than $85K on our station?” to what I say why not instead start part 15 Radio stations in small cells in highly populated areas yourself. You could certainly save a few bucks and just like how Cricket cellular was locally oriented at first you could be a sort of Cricket FM and only be heard in the populated areas saving you money. And for the higher power stations you do own you could have us on your stations. People want something fresh and a bedroom DJ is becoming more popular just look at Internet Radio. Live365 was a service started years ago based on that concept. We need to keep stressing how there are still listeners of commercial Radio in Canada and that not every Johnny come lately has his own BETS service announcement Transmitter. And in areas where there was a operator within range people still would listen to regular licensed Broadcasters as well. So there is no harm or foul in extending the range for individuals who wish to run FM on empty frequencies and reaching the ¼ mile to a mile. I'm sure we may already have our Anti FM extremest here on this board. They say we live in fantasy land? Well that is what they said about the airplane, automobile, and as far as rules look at how the Rockefeller organization tried to take over things. You have to band together and ask for change. Its time to make Radio not just for the Rich.

The great psychologist Carl Jung said that a strong fantasy life contributes to a healthy mind.

J.R. "Bob" Dobbs says: "Too much of a good thing is better than not enough."

Today's silly quote from "over there":

"This notion that, "because we're law-abiding, civic-minded people, the FCC should let us broadcast on an open FM channel at one watt forward power unlicensed," is insane."

NOBODY here ever spoke about 1 watt. Nobody. Also, I never said "unlicensed". More spew from Carmine5.

And the response:

"I'd like to see what they say when they perform such activity and get a visit from a field agent."

Again, NOBODY is asking to run 1 watt. In fact, my math showed that we could cover ground with under 0.1w, and even lower.

I really wonder how facts get twisted like that. Look at my proposal. Did I ever say 1w? Not even close.

Sitting too long in one position cuts off blood flow to the brain which tries to remain conscious by doing an information dump. What remains in the mind are fragments of experience.

The solution is to stand up once in awhile and walk around.

I must have sat too long yesterday because today it seems like some of the things I posted to this website last night aren't here now.

There was an avid gammer that sat for 72 hours trying to win a tournament.  When he lost against a girl he quickly stood up and he could not breathe.  He fell dead.  Anyway you can't reason with an anti FM troll.

They're trying to get your goat, macdev.  They know that some here read stuff over there, just as they read stuff here.

As soon as I had posted my analysis proving that it is possible, even under current FCC Part 15 FM regulations, to get a range of 600-800 feet or more, they did exactly the same thing, and ended up with the same results.  Except that their conclusion was it didn't matter, because 1) few people have good enough home radios to receive these weak signals and 2) even though car radios can receive them, when you're driving you'll pass through the signal area quickly, in a matter of seconds.

So we had now gone from 1) a blanket statment that anyone getting more than 200 feet using FM is illegal or (take your pick) anyone getting a signal off their own property is illegal to (after I had pointed out that they hadn't even considered the receiver) 2) anyone getting more than 200 feet to a car radio is illegal to (after I published the analysis) 3) you will be able to get a signal more than 200 feet but it doesn't matter because of the above reasons.

They're just not going to change.  They see the Part 15 world in a very specific, limited way, and it biases everything they say and do, from their posts through to their so-called 'reviews'.  And because their inner circle is comprised of a few ex-broadcasters and engineers, they believe that they know more than anyone else.  Their minds are closed.  They won't admit at any time that they're wrong.

From what I've seen, there's far more collective knowledge and experience here than there.  Far more openness as well - I also wonder why none of that innner circle, to my knowledge, has ever described THEIR Part 15 stations in any great detail.  It makes you wonder what they're doing, and why they're hiding (including whether they're licensed to broadcast the copyrighted material that shows up on a few of their Youtube videos).

Anyway, I've decided that they, and their opinions (for that's all they are) just don't matter.  Let them sit around their checkerboard and complain.  I'm not going to waste any more time on them.

I was not aware of their response to that. Thanks for letting me know about it.

I agree with you about the collection of information here vs. there. Also, there are only like 5 posts a day there. Here, it's far more.

I know the type. I've dealt with people like that for a long time. Very narrow-minded. You don't change the world sitting on your butt doing nothing.