for sharing info from there over here. nothing more. as mighty put it i too remember when their was overlap and the webmaster over there didn't care if info from there was posted here and visa versa. this all started it seems when he acqired that stash of LPB documents then he started with the watemrarking and this heavy Area 51 style forum secuirty BS like he is hiding super top secret government documents from the enemy.
i have no idea what happened to him other than he could be sufferring from some sort of severe late onset mental illness or his ego is getting the best of him.
i have no idea but something is going on with the man he has done a complete 180 on his forum policy since it first started and it hasn't been for the better.
and what is up with his alter ego "Board Administrator" everyone knows (here and over there) he is board admin so why doesn't he simply post under his named user account.
that is a bright red flag the man has some issues right there among many other glaring red flags.
i personally would like to see this and HB forums share info across them freely like it used to be without all this high level security BS.
i am being honest when i say i trully believe it started with his acqisition of all that LPB stuff.
it is the same mentality that occurs when somone who was poor or middle class all of sudden has a huge inheritance of money or wins the lottery only with webmaster there it was an enormously huge stash of information.
Well I look at it this way, I was once a full member, being so, allowed me full access to the Vox Populi - The Lobby forum, where I found myself a victum of that slanderous forum site.
Had I not had access, I would never had known what was being assumed about me. And, although, the topic is claiming I did something I did not do, or was invloved in, the topic, along with images stolen from my station's Facebook page are clearly STILL published on his site and visible in that topic for all his henchmen to see and say see MrBruce was a criminal, he was a pirate, he broke the law and oh, what the hell, next to my member status it says "BANNED FOR THE BETTER OF MANKIND"???? Give me a break!
Where I did nothing wrong, my accusers clearly broke some laws by stealing and hosting what does not rightfully belong to them don't you think????
Those who stick up for him here, know damned well, what really goes on over there behind that big curtain. And it isn't always good, much to say about pirates all the time (publishing images of people's homes, mentioning people's home addresses etc.), but then bashes licensed broadcasters and also the FCC for not catching pirates quick enough.
Do we do that kind of stuff here or at the ALPB? NO!
But he, also caters to members who, by explanation of their stations, are obviously somewhere over the part 15 limits, but don't tell the site owner that, he'll ban you or lower your member status. because those are his buddies!
Been there, done that.
I just say, if it's hidden, there is a negative reason for it.
Bruce.
I think someone over there is short a brick of a full load.
And i have no idea what he is going on about in the email i sent him a whle back, last i checked i have the freedom to say whatever i want. Do you think maybe Bill is sick, i mean honestly, is he possibly mentally ill??
That email again,
On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:34 AM, Barry Sallade <[email protected]> wrote:I am requesting that your admin please remove my station I-Rock Radio
from the Hobby Broadcasters section under profiles.Also i have an account on the forums as well,please remove me from the
forums. Delete my account there please, i tried but was unable to.
I got one better than that, an email sent to me. read on:
Mr. Bruce:
Good God, I can't control the pragraphs in my last post, it won't let me separate them and space them out.
Bruce.
I think in Bill's case he paid for the LPB documentation and had to get approval to put it online. Per the HB site copyright he owns everything posted on the site, from member's posts to station profiles and all uploaded documents. So legally he is in the clear (and could explain the watermarkings), as far as facebook goes they own all posted content on their servers. As far as taking screen shots of PUBLIC profiles, that too is legal as it was clearly intended for the general public. IF the page was private then that is a different case. I recall that thread well MrBruce, it wasn't clear who the operator was until you posted in that thread and named yourself. (FWIW If I'm not mistaken the Part15.us copyright policy is the same)
To be clear, I'm completely neutral on pretty much all of this as it has zero impact on my daily life. I side with noone as it doesn't concern me, I'm in it for legal low power radio not drama. I know this isn't the most popular place to stand up for HB whatsoever but the site has an extreme value to the part 15 community just like the .us and the alpb boards.
You're proving my point Mighty. I'm concerned about the newcomers and the hobby in general. This kind of security hurts Part 15 broadcasting - it certainly doesn't help it, no matter what potential good the site has.
mighty1650 Said:
I recall that thread well MrBruce, it wasn't clear who the operator was until you posted in that thread and named yourself.
MrBruce Responds:
He know the station and I were associated, before I spoke in that topic, the reason I know this, is when I closed the Facebook page from private view to unpublished, mention was made does the FOX sense the HOUNDS? and the owner says "It's funny Ray, your pirate's Facebook page disappears as soon as we bang the drum" He knew right there, long before I posted, that the so called "pirate" had access to his hidden forum area, you may not have sensed it but he spoke to a local about me and the local told me he already had his eye on me, long before I jumped into that thread.
Also, according to Facebook policy, their ownership does not grant him rights to host what he is not legally entitled to. The page was not open to the general public, you had to be granted access to it by an Admin of the page.
No one presented Facebook.inc with any court order to release any evidence my page contained, therefore, they took it and he did what he wanted with it. Sounds and looks to me like he did what he's great of accusing other people of saying or doing.
Also as he is the site admin over there, you think he has no clue who looks at what on that site? He knew I was viewing that topic daily, he was just waiting to see what I was going to do about it. I made my choice to defend myself, I had nothing to hide, did nothing wrong, did not understand why I was being persecuted and no evidence was presented to me that any part 15 transmitter was in fact causing any interference and to whom!!!
To steal one of his quotes: "Like Judge Judy used to say, Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining" and "I didn't just fall off of a turnip truck"
He violated the terms and claims he has a right to do so because he's an Engineer???? Cough...cough..cough... give me a break if so, I'm a brain surgeon.
Anybody can be SBE certified that does not make them an actual "Engineer", neither does having a Ham ticket like Ray. Quote "we three engineers" Give me a break! Buy an potomac FIM71 and now you can call yourself an engineer, that's how it works huh? I'm gonna buy me one now, so I can get out of the brain sergeon business.
Bruce.
You just about need to be a brain surgeon to pay for one of those crazy FIMs.
I agree that it does make for a less than friendly experience for newcomers to the hobby. I can understand the reasoning behind it but I'm still not for it, on the other side of the coin having a wide open site also presents problems with trash postings and blatant trolling/misinformation. I will give HB credit there, that board is as clean as a whistle when it comes to spam, misinformation, trolls, ect. So maybe his policies work? Maybe its just the community that frequents the site?
Either way, I maintain my neutrality. We are all literally here for the same exact reason, legal low power radio. I'm not involved enough in any of these scenarios to have much input other than my own personal experience with HB. Obviously some folks have had some VERY different experiences than me.
(Kind of like some folks having issues with SSTran)
I stand by my comments. These guys are funny. LOL!
Well mighty1650 I like your outlook, at least you come here, the others think all we do here is support Pirates and I don't feel that way at all.
Any mention of FM transmitters reaching 10 miles in the USA meets with.... uh, this is part 15, not pirate radio! There are some good people over there, it is too bad they have a negative out-look at us over here. I think most of us here support the laws even though some may think they are too strict, but we are simply showing that we abid by the laws as they are currently set, and support a rule change at the same time.
That at least shows, if they ever were to change some of the limitations at some point, we would follows those like we do now with the current restrictions in place.
Bruce.
I am not weighing in on the HB vs Part15 saga of which is better or worse. But, I will say, that negative comments in the context of Part 15 hobbyists, whether here or there, are not in the best interest of the hobby.
Newcomers that may not know the history of both sites and the founders etc. are disinterested and probably could care less. If one site, or even one person is at fault, that fault will eventually take them down/offline (if there is a fault). Problems like that generally solve themselves.
I say let everyone choose where they want to be, or both. I personally chose here, but I do read a few things over there. Their catchy uptown website is perhaps appealing to newcomers. That might make a difference for those that look at pictures/graphics and not text.
Continually bashing either site is not in the best interest of anyone, and it makes it look like a band of disgruntled kiddos saying "those are my marbles, they stole 'em".
The same goes for bickering between members, I see the occasional "I am right", then a quote of "you said ......" then a retort with well "you said" etc. It is all well and good if it is constructive, but it detracts from the quality of the thread otherwise. We used to call them "P1$$!ng matches".
With all the good information that is here, and good people to match, we should all keep on track with the goal, to help others get in the hobby, stay in the hobby and stay out of trouble.
I say we move on and let the horse lie dead upon the ground. Lets spend our time making the hobby better for all of us and the future. Lets make Part 15 great again! ( I couldn't resist)
This has been a public service announcement from the Center of the Universe...
craigf Said:
Newcomers that may not know the history of both sites and the founders etc. are disinterested and probably could care less. If one site, or even one person is at fault, that fault will eventually take them down/offline (if there is a fault). Problems like that generally solve themselves.
I say let everyone choose where they want to be, or both. I personally chose here, but I do read a few things over there. Their catchy uptown website is perhaps appealing to newcomers. That might make a difference for those that look at pictures/graphics and not text.
Continually bashing either site is not in the best interest of anyone, and it makes it look like a band of disgruntled kiddos saying "those are my marbles, they stole 'em".
The same goes for bickering between members, I see the occasional "I am right", then a quote of "you said ......" then a retort with well "you said" etc. It is all well and good if it is constructive, but it detracts from the quality of the thread otherwise. We used to call them "P1$$!ng matches".
With all the good information that is here, and good people to match, we should all keep on track with the goal, to help others get in the hobby, stay in the hobby and stay out of trouble.
I say we move on and let the horse lie dead upon the ground. Lets spend our time making the hobby better for all of us and the future. Lets make Part 15 great again! ( I couldn't resist)
This has been a public service announcement from the Center of the Universe...
MrBruce says............AMEN TO THAT!! VERY WELL STATED and yes I was yelling that!
Bruce.
In the course of this thread, several interesting points have been brought up.
Terms of Use. People can put anything they want (and they usually do) in those terms of use. But that doesn't mean that they're enforceable, or even legal. There's no way that you can change the laws of the land with a Terms of Use. When you create something, whether it be a painting, or a photo, or a post, you immediately own the copyright to your creation. It doesn't have to be registered or even acknowledged in the material - it just exists. And there's no way that any Terms of Use, whether it be at HB, or on Facebook, can supersede that particular ownership.
Like I said, you can try, but courts routinely throw those things out (employers try the same thing with employment contracts - they attempt to lay claim to anything you create while being employed by them, even if it's done on your own time).
In terms of a website, the most right that HB could claim is the ability to potentially reproduce that post (and even though I'm not a lawyer, I suspect that even that could be stopped if you wanted to).
'Clean' forums. The reason that HB is so 'clean' is that there is little freedom to post outside the bounds of what the webmaster wants. Try posting anyting even approaching the types of things routinely found here at .us (including criticism of .us, which most of us have done at one point), and see how long those posts last over there. I think we all know the answer to that one.
Freedom is messy. It's messy to moderate (there have to be some rules, after all, otherwise you descend into chaos), it's sometimes messy and hard to read and it can be difficult to respond to in a civil and meaningful fashion. But it's the only way to creativity and to possibly learn something. Otherwise, you just get one person's opinions, which may or may not be correct (and often aren't).
Flags sometimes blow left, other times they blow right.
Americans, in Canada and the U.S.Homeland, salute flags.
Place your right hand on the Part 15 Rules and swear.