• Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar
Part15

Part15

License Free, legal, low-power radio broadcasting

  • About Us
  • Forums
  • Resources
  • Members
  • Contact Us
  • Log In
Forums
Main Category
temp
Some AM Tech info
 
Notifications
Clear all

Some AM Tech info

 
temp
Last Post by Anonymous 16 years ago
4 Posts
2 Users
0 Reactions
531 Views
RSS
 jpjanze
(@jpjanze)
Posts: 506
Member Admin
Topic starter
 

some interesting stuff for AM like home made sheilded loop, measure AM modulation with a scope, etc....

http://radiomagonline.com/tutorials_tips/engineers_notebook/


 
Posted : 21/05/2010 10:48 am
 Anonymous
(@Anonymous)
Posts: 0
 

I assume the antenna is for reception, not transmission at midband freqs. Also it should be coupled rather than direct. However, if you move to the mHz regions, it can be practical. We've covered a bit of ground already determining that a magnetic loop antenna will not work for TX'ng at 100mw. I thought about faking it (for those with space problems, or whose apartment residence won't allow placement of a loading coil/10 ft. antenna system) by making a pseudo-loop antenna with a detached break with a loading coil connected on one end.

We already know that an inline loading coil is quite a noticeably more effiicient. Magnetic induction seems stronger if it is on-center with the vertical antenna component. Therefore I'm not sure my idea will work well for Part 15 AM TX'ng.

However, having said that, my friend Dick Rich of Falcon Radio Research (50 years in business, government contracts, etc.) still insists a magnetic antenna is easier to load, and only requires a little RF network to achieve resonance, regardless of final power. Looking over the formulas, I determined that a larger copper pipe, say 3/4" or even 1", formed into a 3' dia. circle or even a square, will yield better results because of skin effect and less resistance.

I wish I had more time to play with these ideas (I need sponsors to afford more automated gear) and also with a large format fractal antenna ... which would look like a very nice garden accessory ... albeit a lot of work to construct (57 circular pieces of copper tubing of varying diameters, soldered together in a certain pattern). No idea how the FCC would look at it, though 😉


 
Posted : 21/05/2010 2:11 pm
 Anonymous
(@Anonymous)
Posts: 0
 

If you don't have the table in the link cited handy there is a well known way to measure modulation percentage. Count the scope divisions between the maximum peaks (A) and the minimum valleys (B). The percent modulation is 100((A-B)/(A+B)).

Also, a couple of points re Ken's post above:

We already know that an inline loading coil is quite a noticeably more effiicient. Magnetic induction seems stronger if it is on-center with the vertical antenna component.

I don't follow this. Do you mean a situation where the loading coil is axially aligned with the vertical antenna element? If the coil is a very small fraction of a wavelength in dimension it seems orientation wouldn't matter in terms of the radiated field when combined with that of the vertical radiator. If you are referencing inductive coupling then the tx. and receiving coils should be axially aligned.

...my friend .... still insists a magnetic antenna is easier to load, and only requires a little RF network to achieve resonance, regardless of final power.

Has your friend collected data to confirm this? If true wouldn't we see this used for AM BCB applications? What does final input power have to do with resonance?

I determined that a larger copper pipe, say 3/4" or even 1", formed into a 3' dia. circle or even a square, will yield better results because of skin effect and less resistance.

This sounds like the DDRR antenna (search this site for discussions about this) which is designed to be physically near 1/4 wavelength in circumference and is not practical at BCB frequencies.

Neil


 
Posted : 21/05/2010 3:52 pm
 Anonymous
(@Anonymous)
Posts: 0
 

Also, a couple of points re Ken's post above:

"We already know that an inline loading coil is quite a noticeably more effiicient. Magnetic induction seems stronger if it is on-center with the vertical antenna component."

I don't follow this. Do you mean a situation where the loading coil is axially aligned with the vertical antenna element? If the coil is a very small fraction of a wavelength in dimension it seems orientation wouldn't matter in terms of the radiated field when combined with that of the vertical radiator.

Yes, axially aligned. It seems to be more efficient overall. But, if you are correct, then my hope of building a "loop that isn't a loop" antenna that will resonate and have decent range has risen. My idea was to make a circline antenna from soft copper tubing.

It wouldn't be electrically joined. Where the ends come together, one will have a coil turned on a PVC pipe connected to the pipe on it's end both physically and electrically, while the other end of the pipe will be connected to plastic fittings except that part of it has copper adapters and an attached threaded section with double nuts for adjusting the overall length of the copper pipe.

The end sections would have fabricated plastic brackets. The TX mounts to that as well, and the whole thing can be bolted to an overhang. In effect, except for the coil, it is an ordinary electric antenna with the exception that it's circline instead of straight and vertical.

Then ... How would one create a reasonable ground for it?


 
Posted : 22/05/2010 2:37 am
Forum Jump:
  Previous Topic
Next Topic  
Share:
Forum Information
Recent Posts
Unread Posts
Tags
  • 13 Forums
  • 7,740 Topics
  • 63.5 K Posts
  • 62 Online
  • 2,249 Members
Our newest member: electronic
Latest Post: 7 Beatles Misheard Lyrics
Forum Icons: Forum contains no unread posts Forum contains unread posts
Topic Icons: Not Replied Replied Active Hot Sticky Unapproved Solved Private Closed

Primary Sidebar

Online Members

 No online members at the moment

Recent Posts

  • Mark

    RE: 7 Beatles Misheard Lyrics

    Many songs have I heard something other than the actual...

    By Mark , 1 day ago

  • Mark

    RE: 7 Beatles Misheard Lyrics

    Have you heard this?

    By Mark , 1 day ago

  • RichPowers

    Unique AM Transmitter

    Here one I've not seen before. they're $69.50 on eBay, ...

    By RichPowers , 2 days ago

  • RichPowers

    7 Beatles Misheard Lyrics

    As far as I'm concerned this article is ridiculous, I d...

    By RichPowers , 2 days ago

  • Mark

    RE: Newly Discovered Robert Johnson in Stunning Clarity

    @richpowers Sounds good.

    By Mark , 2 days ago

Recent Topics

  • RichPowers

    Unique AM Transmitter

    By RichPowers 2 days ago

  • RichPowers

    7 Beatles Misheard Lyrics

    By RichPowers 2 days ago

  • RichPowers

    Public Domain Feature Films about Radio

    By RichPowers 3 days ago

  • RichPowers

    Speed Limit 17.3mph

    By RichPowers 5 days ago

  • ArtisanRadio

    Artisan Radio Pivots Again

    By ArtisanRadio 5 days ago

Topic Tags

  • Carl Blare3
  • KDX RADIO3
  • WINDOZE3
  • Transmitter2
  • Radio Phvern2
  • station upgrade2
  • archive.org2
  • playlist2
  • Zara Radio2
  • Carrier Current1
View all tags (74)

Copyright © 2026 · Part15.org · Log in

‹›×

    ‹›×