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 rock95seven
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I read this article someone posted on Facebook and thought the group here would offer their comments on it.

"FCC issues new wireless/white space rules.

On August 6, 2015, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) released new rules concerning wireless microphones, white space devices and television broadcast bands. Following the FCC’s upcoming incentive auction, there may be fewer white space frequencies in the television band for use by such devices. This new Report and Order (FCC 15-99) modernizes the Commission’s Part 15 rules to, according to the FCC, “accommodate growing demand for and encourage innovation in unlicensed use” by “allow[ing] for more robust unlicensed use and…promot[ing] spectral efficiency in the 600MHz band.”

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Posted : 23/09/2015 1:32 pm
 Anonymous
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This was the proposial , I am trying to find the official rules.
However, this will give you an idea what we as part 15'rs can expect.
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-15-99A1.pdf


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 1:41 pm
 Anonymous
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Somewhere a fuller version of these FCC Rules from 8/6/15 describes allowing "wireless mics" on TV channels 5 & 6 with a power of 50 mW under a "waiver."

Two things about that...

I am guessing that the "waiver" is also a printed document but have not yet seen it;

In my mind a "wireless mic" is one and the same as a Part 15 transmitter, and if so, operating on FM 87.7 & 87.9 with 50 mW would be allowed.

I have said so before, but received only blank silence in return.

MORE ABOUT IT:

As I posted this message Rock95seven Barry posted the full text that I refered to.


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 1:43 pm
 Anonymous
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This offers us some room to design and build new transmitters.
I don't know about anyone else but, the unit form Comtek is a bit over priced for my hobby addiction.

The $1600 price tag on this transmitter is outrageous.
http://comtek.com/bst-25/

But, i think with a little work a stereo vcr could be modified to work in the white spaces by modifying for the required power, some filters and disabling the video section (unless you want to make a message board)
the right antenna this could be a nice band to occupy. 


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 2:34 pm
 Anonymous
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Would that actually cover 87.9 however?  I'd have to raise the power of the SainSonic AX-05B's low setting to 50 mW.  Or I could get the Signstek CZE-T200 and use 87.5 or 87.9 and set the power to 10mW there is no 50 mW setting.  I think the range was reported at a little less than 1/4 mile at that setting.  Wow this could be what we need for part 15 FM in the lower band.  I'll have to read more on this.


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 5:26 pm
 Anonymous
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Do I see 10 W in the sumeries below? I BOLDED that line that I am referring to below, please scroll down, it's the sixth one down encased with *s.

II. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY 6. In this Report and Order, we maximize unlicensed white space device’s access to spectrum in the television broadcasting band and the 600 MHz band in a number of ways, while at the same time protecting licensed users from harmful interference.  We accomplish this by modifying our Part 15 rules to permit fixed and personal/portable devices to use TV channels previously unavailable to them while continuing to protect TV services from harmful interference by, for example, adjusting power limits, specifying separation distances, and specifying antenna heights. We also adopt technical rules for white space device operations in the 600 MHz band—including the duplex gap, guard bands, 600 MHz service band and channel 37—by limiting power and specifying frequency and distance separations as needed to protect authorized services in those bands from harmful interference. White space devices will continue to access the white space databases for channel assignments in the TV bands, as well as in the 600 MHz band and channel 37. These are the specific actions we take to ensure that white space devices have sufficient spectrum to provide broadband services in these bands.

• In the TV Bands, we modify our Part 15 rules to permit:

o Fixed white space devices to operate

§ adjacent to occupied TV channels at 40 mW at antenna heights of 10 meters above ground level or less (within the TV station contour)

§ at 100 mW at antenna heights of 10 meters above ground level or less if there are two contiguous vacant TV channels,

§ closer to co-and adjacent-TV channels

§ by  using location technologies with a lower degree of accuracy than ±50 meters

§ by bonding contiguous or non-contiguous channels

**§ up to 10 W in areas with fewer than 50 percent occupied TV channels**

§ on TV channels 3 and 4, where available

§ on two vacant channels above and below channel 37 now reserved for wireless microphone use

Bruce.


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 7:33 pm
 Anonymous
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I saw that too.  But I haven't had time to go through the document thoroughly, and there was reference to licensing at one point - that could be the 10 watt service.


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 7:35 pm
 Anonymous
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Did I see 50mW for 87.7 and 87.9 or is it 1W?  If it is 1W we all can safely use SainSonic AX-05B transmitters and set them for 87.9 and lock them there.  If its 50mW we can all buy the Signstek CZE-T200 transmitter and set it to 10mW (There is no 50mW setting because the next is 100mW).  It may be interesting because that one claims close to what the SainSonic gets in range for far less power.  Was there an ERP on that frequency?  If so then I'd say that somehow the Signstek CZE-T200 has a higher gain antenna.  This I would like to look into further just as an interesting point.


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 7:58 pm
 Anonymous
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This document is 187 pages long, that's a lot of reading guys! Plus all the small print on top of it. I'm only on page 21.

Bruce.

 


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 10:00 pm
 Anonymous
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I tried to make heads or tails of the document as well but I especially looked at the white space from 54-88 Mhz they were talking about. Since it was a proposed idea I had for part 15 FM for hobby Radio. This may be the closest thing to it since the FCC does not care about the actual programming. So even at 50-100mW were actually talking some neighborhood range here.

 

On another note to Mr. Bruce I think you may have already known but in case you don't already know Windows 7 and up you can magnify the entire screen and make the magnifier follow your mouse. This is what I do to read the screen at a much larger print. I got mine set to 800 times magnification (Same as an 8X lens). You may want to try this when reading long pages. Lots of good stuff I know. There is even a speech synthesizer that is FREE now that will read the pages to you although it won't read Adobe. It takes a little messing around but I use it at times.


 
Posted : 23/09/2015 10:22 pm
 Anonymous
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I have to read the document so I may be getting ahead of myself, but is this what we've been asking for?


 
Posted : 24/09/2015 8:37 am
 Anonymous
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Looks pretty hazy to me. Especially comments about "Guard Bands." That may mean that 87.9 is off the table.

 


 
Posted : 24/09/2015 8:55 am
 Anonymous
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On page 6, I found this (edited for relevance):

11. The Commission’s Part 15 rules allow unlicensed devices to operate in the TV bands at locations where frequencies are not in use by licensed services.7 These devices, which are commonly referred to as white space devices, may be either fixed or personal/portable. The TV bands currently consist of six-megahertz channels designated 2 to 51 in four bands of frequencies in the VHF and UHF regions of the radio spectrum.8 ... To prevent harmful interference to broadcast television stations and other authorized users of these bands, white space devices obtain a list of available TV channels that may be used at their location from databases administered by private entities selected by the Commission.11

6 See 47 C.F.R. § 73.3700(a)(2).

7 See 47 C.F.R. Part 15 subpart H.

8 See 47 C.F.R. § 73.603(a). These frequency bands are 54-72 MHz, 76-88 MHz, 174-216 MHz, and 470-698 MHz.

And then, this:

12. Fixed devices must incorporate a geo-location capability and a means to access a database that provides a list of available TV channels that may be used at their location.12 Such devices must contact a database to obtain a channel list before operating and re-check the database at least once daily.13 Fixed devices are permitted to operate with up to one watt transmitter power output and may use an antenna that provides up to 6 dBi of gain to produce a maximum power of 4 watts EIRP.14

So, am I reading this right? We can broadcast at 87.9 with 4W EIRP?

 

EDIT: Guard bands. I'll check that out.

107. In the Notice, the Commission proposed to allow white space devices to operate in a six megahertz frequency band within the guard bands at a power level of 40 milliwatts EIRP, provided there would be a frequency separation of at least three megahertz from wireless downlink spectrum.217


 
Posted : 24/09/2015 8:55 am
 Anonymous
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See my comment #12.


 
Posted : 24/09/2015 8:57 am
 Anonymous
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wdcx,

  I did. I edited my post. I read up on guard bands, but couldn't find what bands were being guarded, unless that's coming later.


 
Posted : 24/09/2015 8:59 am
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