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 Chance
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Hello. 

I've been a lurker on this site for about a year and have enjoyed reading many posts by you guys, and decided to join and submit a post. 

I reside in Leavenworth, KS and would really like to put together some sort of community radio here.  My experience with radio tx is nill, although I have built both a 1000 kHz oscillator transmitter and aquired a Ramsey FM 10C.  While both transmitters have been fun to experiment with around the house and yardcasting, I would like to give it ago to try community radio under Part 15 rules.

As I stated earlier, I have no experience nor education in braodcast radio.  I also have little to no experience with electronics, except for a year in a vo-tech electronics class eons ago.

I have reaserched transmitters both here and elsewhere and have considered: TH 5.0, ssTran 3000, and the Spitfire.  In my consideration, money was a factor as well as technical ability (I would love to build the ssTran, but my soldering skills are not up to par for such an endeavor.)

I'm not sure of the fromat, probably music with some type of non-political, non-religious commentary when time alots.  There are lots of Mom 'n Pop shops I frequent and would like to offer free advertising to, local based news, and a few other ideas.  A kind of "give back to the community" approach.

Anyhow, just wanted to say Hi and thank y'all for plenty of food for thought.  Any suggestions or comments are welcome.

Chance

 

 

 


 
Posted : 26/04/2014 6:10 am
 Anonymous
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There's lots of information here and elsewhere on different transmitters.

If you're looking for the maximum range, with little to no technical ability, then you should probably install your transmitter outside, ground-mounted (so that you don't run into the long ground lead issue) and take some time to build a good ground, with radials.

For that kind of installation, I could recommend the Rangemaster or the ProCaster, having used them both and achieved good results.  The ProCaster is easier to set up, and has built-in audio processing (but you can disable it and add external processing).  The Rangemaster is slightly more difficult to set up, and has no built in audio processing.  Both are relatively expensive, but the Rangemaster more so.

With external audio processing, I got more range with the Rangemaster (up to 1 mile); with the ProCaster, between 1/2-3/4 mile.  Both transmitters offer you paths to upgrade your installation should you choose to do so, after you get more experience.

But if you want a bare bones type of installation, there's nothing wrong with the Talking House and the ATU/whip combination - although it may be more difficult to find the ATU, as it's being discontinued.  You'll get about the same range as the ProCaster (I always got a bit less), but I didn't find the sound quality nearly as good, and you don't have as many upgrade options.


 
Posted : 26/04/2014 7:43 am
 Anonymous
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Having never operated the ProCaster, I endorse this observation between the TH and Rangemaster.


 
Posted : 26/04/2014 4:29 pm
 Anonymous
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I think range can more often than not be dependent on conditions. I have a Procaster.  Every day I leave my house at the same time in the morning, and come home at the same time later in the day.  I have days when I can reach nearly two miles out e.g. I can clearly hear the station, as I drive away.  I have other days where 3/4 or one mile is typical. Clearly atmospheric and man made interference varies from day to day.  Same car, same road, same transmitter, same style of music, same modulation levels.  So I suspect when it comes to Rangemaster vs Procaster it may very well be a tossup in range, and it depends SO much upon installation and a thousand other variables that depend on your location and surrounding buildings, objects, trees, ground conductivity, etc as well as interference potential in your area, etc. 

I had narrowed my choices down to Rangemaster or Procaster and I chose Procaster based mostly on two things: The built in tuning meter made it a snap to fine tune for best output, and the built in processing.  I wanted it to be a simple as possible and require the least amount of additional investment and tinkering. I engineer radio for a living, so doing it for myself I wanted it simple. I find my sound to be at least equal to the two major commercial AM stations in the area (and I'm the engineer for one of them).

I haven't checked prices for a while but I'm betting the Procaster comes out as most expensive.  But again, I didn't need anything else.  And if you so choose to go with outboard processing at a later time the built in processing can be shut down and you can run with whatever you like. 

When someone says they get out a mile or 1.5 or 3/4 how is that determined?  With a car radio? Generally car radios are the best, they have external antennas, are very sensitive, and have automatic circuits to make up for weakless and signal to some extent as you move from a signal.  But then again, I have a coworker whose new Kia has such a crappy AM radio it barely picks me up when he's two blocks away, OR any of the commercial AM's either.  When someones says "I get out a mile" is that how the crow flies? Or they drove for a mile with a couple turns in it and are actually only half a mile from their transmitter? Get a map of your town, measure a mile radius, draw a circle a mile out from your transmitter, make another at a mile and a half, and 2 miles.  Look where a road intersects that line and go listen (I went and listened AND took field strength readings AND used three different radios). Did they go back to the same spot at 9 AM, Noon, 3 PM and 6 PM and 9 PM?  How far do they get at night before the skip and interference comes rolling in?  I've done all this and the variable reception is amazing.  I go out with my car radio, a small $5 hand held portable transistor radio, a GE Super Radio and a Nems Clark field intensity meter, calibrated, and which is used regularly in my maintenance for a commercial directional AM that requires monitor point readings to verify pattern of signal, that has been confirmed accurate compared to an FCC agents device. Throughout the day, in the exact same spot signal strength varies, especially on the fringe of the signal. 

I think unless you get a crappily built transmitter or build one crappily yourself, there are too many variables to simply state one gets better range than another, as long as you're looking at similarly engineered units, with similar antenna styles and the same ability to modulate. Good solid modulation adds to your range as well. 

Trying to compare transmitter range is like comparing automobile miles per gallon. So much depends on how you drive it and where you drive it.  When driving my wife's car I get 30-31 mpg.  The BEST she can do is 26-27.  But she's a bit of a maniac.  So she would tell someone "I only get about 26" where I would say "Great car, I can get 30 sometimes 31 mpg with it".  Same car, different technique. It makes all the difference. 

Tim in Bovey


 
Posted : 27/04/2014 5:11 am
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I do agree with you, Tim, in that there are many factors, most importantly the receiver at the other end, that affect range.  One factor often neglected is time of day - I find the greatest range occurs on cool, crisp mornings.  And it is difficult to compare ranges between different installations.

But if two transmitters are installed identically, in the same location, and with similar modulation, and one consistently gets better range than the other, then I think that for whatever reason that is, it's pretty conclusive.

I found that with the Rangemaster vs the ProCaster.  The Rangemaster just had that little extra bit of 'ooomph' (is that a technical term?).  But it's more expensive, and a bit more difficult to install (to be 100% sure of your 100mw compliance, you have to take current and voltage measurements - I just didn't trust that little green light that supposedly indicates when you've hit that magic number - mine never glowed entirely green).  The ProCaster is a bit cheaper, and easier to tune, and it's still no slouch when it comes to range.  The ProCaster sounds better out of the box due to its built in audio processing, but the Rangemaster sounds every bit as good, if not better, with outboard processing (I used a Symetrix 421); however, that does add more expense.

Both are winners in my book for different reasons, and you can't go wrong with either.  In fact, you pretty much can't go wrong with any Part 15 transmitter, including the much cheaper Talking House, as long as it does what you want it to do.  And as long as you don't expect it to do what it CAN't do, at least legally (such as consistently have several miles range with crystal clear sound).


 
Posted : 27/04/2014 6:15 am
 Anonymous
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I appreciate the wealth of info y'all have and give.  Plenty of food for thought.  Thank you guys for your support.

 


 
Posted : 27/04/2014 3:56 pm
 Anonymous
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Both are winners in my book for different reasons, and you can't go wrong with either.  In fact, you pretty much can't go wrong with any Part 15 transmitter, including the much cheaper Talking House, as long as it does what you want it to do.  And as long as you don't expect it to do what it CAN't do, at least legally (such as consistently have several miles range with crystal clear sound).


 
Posted : 28/04/2014 4:25 am
 Anonymous
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It took me years to get a Part 15 AM

transmission to leave my house and

yard.  (At first, I didn't know what I

was doing.)

My first success was with a Ramsey AM-1

modified for crystal control.  I guess I

got it to go about 1/2 mile. 

I got my AMT-3000 to go 2 miles, but

that was not what usually happened. 

Everything had to be just right - tuning -

the weather, audio processing, the condition

of the ground system, and other things.  And,

of course, the receiver out at the edge had

to be a car radio. 

As far as I'm concerned, every bit of coverage

beyond your yard is a gift. 

Bruce, DOGRADIO


 
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