Some guy sueing Microsoft for discontinuing Windows 10 support in October. At first it sounds silly to me but after reading the article it doesn't sound silly at all. Some really good points are made
I think the lawsuit should be about Windows 11 trying to force you to be on the internet and having a Microsoft account to get into your computer. The set up won't let you have a local account unless you go to youtube for someone to show you how to do it.
There are still new Windows 10 computers for sale.
My computer keeps messaging me to upgrade to 11 but I'm afraid if I do it will try to take away my local account and screw me up. I don't care if support stops for Windows 10 the computer will carry on the same as it is now.
The small broadcast computer I have for the station came with Windows 11 but was already set up with registration bypassed and a local account ready to go. Hbestore was the brand.
I am using one and have a second for back up.
Are you saying with 11 you have to be connected to the internet to even use your computer?.. I guess that would to maintain the apparent AI optimized structure of Windows 11... Im guessing, but - are you sure it's just not that you need an internet connection for the initial setup? I mean surely you can use Windows 11 offline.
He points out that Windows 11 was released only 4 years ago so Microsoft should continue support for Windows 10 for a lot longer, same as they did with all previous versions of Windows. There's no reasonable explanation that people should be forced to throw away their perfectly working computers simply to appease Microsoft.
A couple quotes from the article:
"...complaint estimates that some 240 million or more devices will become obsolete in October simply because they don't meet the hardware requirements.."
"Windows 11 is wildly unpopular, and absent the forced obsolescence, many Windows users simply would not upgrade to Windows 11. Windows 11 does not present many enticing features that warrant an upgrade,...
Oh, and hes sueing for only his lawyer/court cost personally in this case
@richpowers Yes Windows 11 in the set up in a new computer forces you to have to be connected to internet and you must have a Microsoft account to use your computer unlike previous versions that let you set up a private local account simply with your name and password. You can't bypass this and have a local account unless you go on youtube and many videos show you how to get around this.
New computers are still being sold with Windows 10 new as we speak. You don't have to throw away your computer just keep using Windows 10. People are using 7 and even XP still I see here. I don't know if the lawsuit can be won as nothing stops you from keeping Windows 10. I don't know what support even means. What will happen? Your computer will keep working, just have a good antivirus installed. If no support means no more updates fine with me.
.... You don't have to throw away your computer just keep using Windows 10. People are using 7 and even XP still I see here..
To clarify, I meant specifically Windows 11, over 200 million computers in current use, modern units, the hardware does not meet the minimum requirements, thus, can't be upgraded. Naturally, most people will simply stick with Windows 10... Microsoft is saying fine, do that, but in two months we won't support it anymore... As far as their concerned any computers that can't support Windows 11 is obsolete.
I don't know what support even means. What will happen? Your computer will keep working, just have a good antivirus installed. If no support means no more updates fine with me.
Yeah! Exactly
You know thinking back, I had bought a new laptop for about $100 a year or two ago, talked about it here I think. It came with Windows 10, opened the package on the Pier while at work, plugged it in and had to use a phone hotspot as an internet connection to setup a Microsoft Account before I could even use the computer.(There's no internet on the Pier is why I used hotspot)
So how is that any different than what you're saying Windows 11 wants you to do? @Mark
@richpowers Windows 10 let you bypass the needing internet and signing in to Microsoft. You missed it in the set up where you had the choice to say you have no internet. When Cortana said lets get you connected and set you up with a Microsoft account you had the choice to skip that and then would skip to your user name and create a password. Then a series of Microsoft things you have to say no to and then it gets things ready and you are done. You didn't need any internet connection. But check out the Youtube videos about the Windows 11 not letting you do this anymore and how to get around it.
This just one of many videos..
I'm not concerned about losing Windows 10 support. There will still be secure apps, such as browsers, available for a long, long, time. Heck, there are still secure browsers that support Windows XP, and as long as you're not running a server, most people don't need much more.
As far as Windows 11 is concerned, I always thought relying on a specific piece of hardware (i.e., a TPM), was stupid, and I refuse to go along with it, just because I can. From what I can gather with a cursory search on the Internet, there are even ways to bypass that requirement as well (although I don't run the OS on any computer).
If you're going to sue Microsoft, you might as well start suing all the technology companies. Apple is the worst, controlling virtually all aspects of your computer from hardware to software. You can't even install apps on an Apple iphone outside of their store, unless you jailbreak. Most other companies require you to at least register a product to use it, echoing the Microsoft e-mail fiasco.
They all phone home and spy on you to varying degrees. What's really creepy is that I can do some surfing using google on my computer, and then see ads relating to that surfing pop up on relative's social media accounts (even though I don't use social media, so they can't get me directly).
After living with the Internet, and Internet-like systems well before the Internet was 'created', I prefer old school things for the most part. Books to gain information. Physical media and/or radio to listen to music and obtain news. If I watched TV or movies, physical media there as well.
Oh, I'll use computers for very specific things, but they don't run my life. Not any more, at any rate. Not even close.
I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you just said except for one thing:
After living with the Internet, and Internet-like systems well before the Internet was 'created', I prefer old school things for the most part. Books to gain information.
There's no comparing access to information on the Internet and what you can find in physical books in local library bookshelves and microfilms, or wherever...
With the Internet your able research and compile information in a few hours or days what would literally take weeks or months to obtain the same information through "old school" methods - and a lot of it would be nearly impossible to find at all. Yeah, books are great, but without the Internet and it's advanced search capabilities a great deal of information found in books would remained buried in obscure sources.
I too much prefer physical copies of books as opposed to reading on a screen, but as far as actual research goes, without the Internet it would be excessively more tedious and time consuming (if not nearly impossible) to obtain anywhere near the same degree of depth.
By the way, the Supermium browser for XP feels almost like Chrome, it's run great in XP and seems to handle anything
I wasn't comparing them. I just said that I preferred books.
The problem with the Internet these days is that there's too much information, and much of it is unreliable. While there are exceptions, there's at least some thought put in beforehand in the publishing of a book.
And you can't trust the so-called AI summaries. Every time I look at one, I find multiple errors, or, at the very least, questionable comments, which usually turn out to be misinformation.
So, while I can see advantages in having this huge amount of information at your fingertips, there are also disadvantages in having to weed through it all and decide what is truth, and what is fiction. What is heavily biased, and what is not. I guess it all depends on how you approach the filtering. For me, the jury is still out on that one.
There's a lot to be said for running Windows XP, particularly for Part 15 broadcasting.
Zara 1.44 ran nicely, and even supported Winamp plugins, a feature taken out in the later free version.
The streaming software I use, EdCast, as well as VST and the various plugins installed, will run in XP. Icecast will run as well.
You'd have to put up with no support for more modern audio codecs such as Opus, but that's not a really big deal.
The stuff I do with SDR's wouldn't run, and, in fact, won't even run on Windows 7 (as it doesnt have WSL, and the software basically is a hack that runs on the Linux subsystem under Windows).
Use a good router with firewall protection (both hardware and software), and you should be good to go.
And you can't trust the so-called AI summaries. Every time I look at one, I find multiple errors, or, at the very least, questionable comments, which usually turn out to be misinformation.
Definitely, I've noticed too. Sometimes apparent complete fabrications. AI in general can't be trusted about the "facts" it presents.
So, while I can see advantages in having this huge amount of information at your fingertips, there are also disadvantages in having to weed through it all and decide what is truth, and what is fiction. What is heavily biased, and what is not. I guess it all depends on how you approach the filtering. For me, the jury is still out on that one.
I'm looking at it from a research perspective, so the 'at your fingertips' thing is everything. The weeding thru part (for me anyway) is the research itself which simply entails compiling and chronically puzzling actual documentations all together. So any AI summarys are essentially useless to me.
But I still think AI is cool as whatever.