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About 1710

December 18, 2009 by Carl Blare

Part 15 use of 1710 kHz has been discussed. But what is this frequency reserved for otherwise? What kind of licensed service takes place on 1710 ?

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About Carl Blare

Ambassador of Recreational Radio, owner operator of KDX Worldround Radio, webmaster for kdxradio.com, host of The Blare Blog.

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  1. WEAK-AM says

    December 19, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    47cfr2.106
    Carl,

    According to 47cfr2.106, (table of allocations), the band from 1705-1800 kHz is allocated for fixed, mobile, and radiolocation services under FCC parts 80 (Maritime) and 90 (Private Land Mobile). Just how active those allocations are I am not sure. You could do an FCC ULS search to see what licenses are held for that band.

    Here is the link to the description of the US Table of Frequency Allocations (47cfr2.105): http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/pdf/47cfr2.105.pdf

    And here is the link to the table itself (47cfr2.106):
    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/pdf/47cfr2.106.pdf

    You’re probably going to be interested in page 470.

    • Ermi Roos says

      December 21, 2009 at 7:47 pm

      TIS stations
      The band of frequencies available for TIS stations formerly included 1710 kHz. The latest version of Section 90.242, which governs TIS stations, no longer includes 1710 kHz.

    • wdcx says

      January 5, 2010 at 2:12 am

      R. Fry has convinced me that
      R. Fry has convinced me that my operation on 1710 is an error.

      • WEAK-AM says

        January 5, 2010 at 3:10 am

        Technically correct
        Mr. Fry is technically correct in his assertion that 1710 is not covered under the provisions of 15.219, but the fact remains that the Grant of Certification for the Rangemaster transmitter includes 1710. You can view the grant on his web site or you can download it from the FCC Equipment Authorization Division. Furthermore, the transmitter is not designed to be compliant with 15.209 and there is no practical way that a user could adjust it to comply with that section.

        If I had more “skin in the game” I’d give 1710 a try and see what happened! But I am not a gambling man!

        • wdcx says

          January 17, 2010 at 9:34 am

          Be Afraid
          Be very afraid…

          • Ken Norris says

            January 19, 2010 at 1:22 am

            RE: Be Afraid
            FWIW, I just emailed with a fellow who has been broadcasting all day every day on 1710 for the past 6 years with no problems.

          • Ermi Roos says

            January 31, 2010 at 11:46 pm

            530 kHz
            Just outside the AM broadcast band at the lower end is 530 kHz, which, like 1710 kHz, can also be tuned by most AM radios. This frequency is legal to use under Section 15.219. TIS stations can also be assigned this frequency.

          • rock95seven says

            May 14, 2010 at 7:05 pm

            Attenuation
            F.C.C. Quote:

            Sec. 15.219 Operation in the band 510-1705 kHz.

            (a) The total input power to the final radio frequency stage
            (exclusive of filament or heater power) shall not exceed 100 milliwatts.
            (b) The total length of the transmission line, antenna and ground
            lead (if used) shall not exceed 3 meters.
            (c) All emissions below 510 kHz or above 1705 kHz shall be
            attenuated at least 20 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier.
            Determination of compliance with the 20 dB attenuation specification may
            be based on measurements at the intentional radiator’s antenna output
            terminal unless the intentional radiator uses a permanently attached
            antenna, in which case compliance shall be deomonstrated by measuring
            the radiated emissions.
            ————————————————————————————-
            So does this section refer to attenuating spurious signals outside of the band, below 510 and above 1705?
            Or does it mean that if you operate, say on 1710 khz that you should apply 20 Db attenuation to your carrier to stay compliant?

            I’m sorry if I missed the point here but to me this sounds like this is a countermeasure to prevent any unwanted spurs from showing up above or below the 510 to 1705 BCB.

            Although there is another side to the coin, if i transmit on 1710 khz or anywhere else on the AM BCB i should always be sure my signal does not cause spurious emissions on any band .

  2. Carl Blare says

    May 14, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Rule for 1710 Operation
    Hello Rock95seven
    Intentional Radiation on 1710 kHz is not a spurious emission, but is referenced in this section from Part 15:

    15.223 Operation in the band 1.705-10 MHz.

    (a) The field strength of any emission within the band 1.705-10.0 MHz
    shall not exceed 100 microvolts/meter at a distance of 30 meters.
    However, if the bandwidth of the emission is less than 10% of the
    center frequency, the field strength shall not exceed 15
    microvolts/meter or (the bandwidth of the device in kHz) divided by
    (the center frequency of the device in MHz) microvolts/meter at a
    distance of 30 meters, whichever is the higher level. For the purposes
    of this section, bandwidth is determined at the points 6 dB down from
    the modulated carrier. The emission limits in this paragraph are based
    on measurement instrumentation employing an average detector. The
    provisions in § 15.35(b) for limiting peak emissions apply.

    (b) The field strength of emissions outside of the band 1.705-10.0 MHz
    shall not exceed the general radiated emission limits in § 15.209.

    • PhilB says

      May 15, 2010 at 5:34 am

      Rule for 1710 Operation
      The 1710 to 1800 band was originally used for Police radio and the original LORAN navigation system. The Police radio usage goes way back to the ’30s and ’40s and the LORAN usage stopped sometime in the ’60s or’70s (I think). Police moved to VHF and LORAN moved to 50 kHz, or so, and then stopped service altogether recently. GPS superceded it.

      I wonder if 1710-1800 kHz is actually used by anyone? The 160 meter ham band includes 1800-2000 kHz. There may be an on line database that can be searched by frequency. If anyone finds one, a post would be helpful.

      • mram1500 says

        May 15, 2010 at 8:56 pm

        Drug Deals and All!
        In 1975 I had a Cobra cordless telephone. The handset transmitted to the base on 49 mHz. The base transmitted to the handset around 1730 kHz.

        I started monitoring the range from 1700 kHz to 1800 kHz and was amazed to hear telephone conversations as far away as 5 to 10 miles.

        I don’t know when they quit using that range of frequencies but there’s probably one still out there somewhere.

        I found these frequency pairs listed on a scanner website:

        46.6300 Ch 2 Cordless Phone, input 49.845, old out 1710 kHz
        46.6700 Ch 3 Cordless Phone, input 49.86, old out 1730 kHz
        46.7300 Ch 5 Cordless Phone, input 49.875, old out 1750 kHz
        46.8300 Ch 7 Cordless Phone, input 49.89, old out 1770 kHz
        46.8700 Ch 8 Cordless Phone, input 49.93, old out 1690 kHz

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