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hopefully someone still visits this forum and helps us out because its kinda dead in here…
hopefully someone still visits this forum and helps us out because its kinda dead in here…
ok guys i am brand new yo this whole thing.so please feel free to walk me threw this as if i am a 3yr old.
let me give you a little background info first.i run this internet station here in the Bronx, NYC. but me and some friends/artists want to take this even further. we play only our local artists 24/7 because we are part of this movement where its not supported by the big stations here in the USA.we wanted to start this little local station on the Radio (FM) so at least broadcast for a radius of 2 or no more than 4 miles to cover parts of Bronx and Manhattan. we kinda been reading online and it sounds like its impossible to do this the legal way without having thousands of dollars to spend which we sure don’t have.from what we have read online the Fcc doesn’t really want anyone a permit to broadcast specially here in NYC.
so my questions are
what are our options ?
can someone please explain what part15 is in simple terms
is part15 something worth us looking into ?
what can you recommend us to do as far to get into the radio legally ?
we just wanna be able to broadcast online like we are doing right now and also be able to be heard on the radio locally here in NYC so what u thing is the best thing for us to do..please remember i am brand new yo this whole thing.so please feel free to walk me threw this as if i am a 3yr old.
Total posts : 45366It looks like DJSPYDER is looking for far more range than is usually available with Part 15 AM or FM.
To give some background, what later became known as Part 15 was established by the FCC in 1938 to be used for very short range radio links of only a few feet. The usual application was to transmit a signal from a phonograph turntable to an AM radio receiver in the same home. Until the 1960s, Part 15 rules were commonly known as the “Phono Oscillator Rules.” In 1960, a company called Low Power Broadcasting (LPB) was established that sold Part 15 transmitters that were designed to have greater range than the typical phono oscillators.
A particular method that LPB advocated for increasing range is controversial even today. Whether the method is legal or not depends upon how the rules are interpreted. Researching threads in this Forum from 2007 and earlier would enlighten anybody who is interested about the controversy, which relates to the fact that the word “ground” is not defined in the Part 15 rules. Whether LPB’s method is legal or not depends upon how “ground” is defined.
Part 15 AM has potentially more range than Part 15 AM, and the FM rules are much more strictly enforced than the AM rules.
Total posts : 45366thank you so much for your reply.
if i am correct from what you said , part15 is not something worth looking into for us , since it just provides a few feet of coverage. you already answered one of my questions , what about
so where should we start , to try to accomplish our goal.
what about
what are our options ?
what can you recommend us to do as far to get into the radio legally ?
i seen people talk about community radio but is that more for public announcements ?
rather than music and entertainment, or it doesn’t really matter what we do as long as its non-profit specially if we are going to broadcasting local hip hop artists.remember we just wanna be able to broadcast online like we are doing right now and also be able to be heard on the radio locally here in NYC so what you think is the best thing for us to do..
Total posts : 45366Carrier Current by Loading up the Neutrals on the Electric Utility Lines.
Best Bang for the Buck in NYC.
Contact LPB if they are still in business.
you do not want to pull this off in nyc with out being completely legal.
there is an FCC office in the City.
also check the library there is plenty of reading material there on the subject.
Total posts : 45366There is no chance you will ever see that range you want in NYC with part15 AM or FM AM you will get max 750ft FM 30ft car radio little same protable radio 1/5 to 1/7 of that
Total posts : 45366thnx for the reply.
DJboutit like i said part15 is out of the question since i see its not worth looking in to.
so its impossible to have that kind of range in nyc with a low powered station in nyc ?
some people have told me to contact those sites where they help you accomplish getting the license and all that but i am kinda skeptical in paying someone for them to just tell me what i already know or give me information i can get online.
Total posts : 45366The LPB website exists, but the telephone numbers and e-mail addresses on the website are obsolete. LPB is still in business, but under a different name. They will only talk to people they already know.
They lost a lawsuit a few years ago for non-delivery of products that were ordered. Perhaps they are lying low to avoid process servers.
Another radio company, Kabbary Antenna Technology (KAT), appears to be in the same situation. They are manufacturers of the Crossed Field Antenna, a close relative of the EH Antenna. They had a contract to supply a high-power LF crossed field broadcast antenna to a station near the Isle of Man in the U. K., but they were unable to deliver. The company that owns the Isle of Man station wants its deposit back. KAT is in Egypt, so it is probably better-situated to avoid creditors than LPB.
Total posts : 45366Part15 with its limited range is a problem that can be worked around. I know,we did it back in the 1960’s! You have an advantage in that you are already streaming on the internet. Use that to your advantage and set up part15 transmitters in strategic locations where you want coverage. We did it like this;we had luck in that our group lived spread out along the main street in out town. We used two frequencies and altenated them between sites so that you could drive almost 10 miles along Main ST and be in range of one if not both frequencies. We used phonelines back in the day,but you should use the internet. Each location would need a dedicated pc and a part15 transmitter. It will help if you have a radio geek to help lay out and engineer the system. You will know if you have folks willing to partner this effort in places where you want coverage. Then choose AM or FM or BOTH!!! and have a blast!!!
Total posts : 45366Low Power FM Community Radio is what I’d say you want to move on … at least if there is anything left for clear frequencies in the FM band in New York.
Especially since The Community Radio Act of 2009 has passed out of House sub-committee by UNANIMOUS VOTE! (Yea!) and will probably go ahead pretty quickly. Check with this organization first:
http://www.prometheusradio.org/… they will likely be your best help. I expect the law to pass the House soon … it looks like it’s well on its way to becoming law, and loosens the restrictions for Community Radio by an order of magnitude. Therefore, I’d recommend getting your group together and make your decision ASAP, because I expect a window for applications will open soon.
But, if you can live with monophonic AM, you could use multiple transmitters to get more coverage. They’ll need to be synchronized, and there are a few methods for doing that. One is using wi-fi connections to your LAN, so it depends how far and wide it is … check this video:
Another (probably the best) is using GPS NIST data.
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