- February 22, 2018 at 3:34 pm #11582
For those who have access to the February issue of QST there is an informative article about the relation of trees to antennas in close proximity to each orther. Test were performed across many ham radio bands in both the vertical and horizontal plane using NEC software. It turns out that what Rich Fry has been telling us all along is correct. Trees have little or no effect on antennas on the 160 meter band. (1.8 to 2 MHZ) So it is safe to apply this data to the AM Broadcast Band.
- February 22, 2018 at 6:45 pm #56684
Depending on moisture content, trees conduct electricity.
I once set a PZM (metalic) microphone on a tree stub following a recent rain and got a tingly shock.
The moral of the story, if you do a live report from up a tree be sure to wear electrician’s insulated gloves.
- February 22, 2018 at 7:11 pm #56685
“..It turns out that what Rich Fry has been telling us all along is correct. Trees have little or no effect on antennas on the 160 meter band. (1.8 to 2 MHZ) So it is safe to apply this data to the AM Broadcast Band”
Extensive real-world TIS/HAR studies by the Highway Departments had also came to the same conclusions. (documentations referenced here before)
- February 22, 2018 at 7:20 pm #56686
“Depending on moisture content, trees conduct electricity…”
Carl something which always fascinated me (also discussed here before) is how the Army used to use trees as antennas: http://www.rexresearch.com/squier/squier.htm“It is not a joke nor a scientific curiosity, this strange discovery of Gen. George O. Squire, Chief Signal Officer, that.. all trees, of all kinds and all heights, growing anywhere.. are nature’s own wireless towers and antenna combined. The matter first came to his attention in 1904, through the use of trees as grounds for Army buzzer and telegraph and telephone sets..”
- February 22, 2018 at 9:50 pm #56687
There may be something here for home owner agreement and apartment radio stations with access to a nearby tree.
And the indoor operations might try a potted plant with baseboard radial wires.
A HAM might get in trouble if he tries 1,500 Watts into a potted plant.
Have an extinquisher handy.
- February 25, 2018 at 10:27 pm #56693
Experience at radio8z transmitter site shows that if bushes or tree branches touch the radiating conductor then it is knocked off resonance by a bit.
Quandry: do I trim the bushes or trim the antenna?
- February 26, 2018 at 1:32 pm #56697
I have a friend in South Florida that trims the trees at the far end of his dipole by running 1500 watts. A neighbor called him and told him that his tree was on fire. True story.
- February 26, 2018 at 2:29 pm #56700
Here at Worldround Radio we are planning a few outdoor antennas and after reading this thread we’re going to think tree.
In fact today we plan to tour the back of the campus where numerous trees enjoy safe habitat.
The objective will be to select one or more trees for incorporation into our antenna plans.
There’s no need to paint the trees red and white because they’re under 200′.
Maybe the transmitter could be in a tree house.
We could either hire a tower crew or a tree service.
- February 26, 2018 at 7:30 pm #56706
Druids comment above reminded me of a video I came across a while back: Radio Waves Picked up by Weeds at a radio tower
- February 26, 2018 at 8:34 pm #56711
That weed reception sparks (no pun intended) plenty of ideas.
We could manufacture the world’s first all weed radio!
The ALPB could open a weed research lab!
In other radio activity, I took a sunny tour of the campus out back and see all kind of opportunities to connect antennas into trees.
- February 26, 2018 at 9:25 pm #56713
Along the same note, RadioHamGuy posted a video Using A Tree As Antenna? Probably Not-You Decide
and this illustration is from the aforementioned article:
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