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  • June 13, 2015 at 12:14 pm #9657
    Carl Blare
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    The intentionally planted rumor about closing FCC field enforcement offices has morphed into a “compromise plan” which envisions “tiger teams” to be deployed for dealing with RF violations.

    It is my opinion that “tiger teams” will be SWAT teams which will employ military tactics to swarm violators, batter-ram the door, shoot the dog, and confiscate electronics. Suspected pirates will be face-down on the floor with rifle-butts poised over their heads. Quicker way to get it done.

    http://sbe.org//sections/news/fcc_field_office_compromise.php

    June 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm #40156
    wdcx
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    This guy along with two others had SWAT teams from the local sheriff’s office, ATF and the FCC show up.

    http://www.criminalgovernment.com/pix/index.html

    June 13, 2015 at 3:53 pm #40159
    Carl Blare
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    The picture of agent Brian Marenco seen in “Destruction of Satellite Receiving Dish” reveals a sloppy dresser poorly groomed taking juvenile delight in criminal vandalism.

    Even Adolf Hitler knew that men showing up wearing lederhosen wouldn’t look good so he supplied cool uniforms for his assassins and jackboot thugs.

    Get some style Homeland.

    June 13, 2015 at 4:21 pm #40160
    Thelegacy
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    Wow the NAB is gonna resort to that?  Hmmm well just hope they never break the rules.  I mean look at what Howard stern did on Radio.  He us truly an example of how many commercial stations don’t and refuse to follow rules.  I’ve heard on air mind you a DJ named Jazz McKay in Lansing Michigan use the phrases like “If you don’t like what comes out of my mouth why don’t you stick your tongue in my mouth and you’d love that”.  Now surely that is a prime example of how we should run a Radio station isn’t it?  Until the NAB can learn to follow the rules they have no room to complain about Johnny Quarter mile.

    June 13, 2015 at 11:30 pm #40167
    wdcx
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    This is what you can expect. This FCC raid was real.

    June 14, 2015 at 4:17 am #40181
    Thelegacy
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    So you mean to tell me that someone has a part 15 transmitter and he puts out 270 uV/M instead of 250 @ 3 meters (10 foot) and he could be raided like this?  Or does someone have to put out some serious power to get that sort of treatment?  I’d surely hope the latter.

    June 14, 2015 at 12:35 pm #40183
    Rich
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    …someone has a part 15 transmitter and he puts out 270 uV/M instead of 250 @ 3 meters (10 foot) and he could be raided like this? …

    The link in Reply 4 of the thread referenced below shows some radiated fields that came to the attention of the FCC a few years ago, and the power needed to produce them over a free space path.

    http://www.part15.us/forum/part15-forums/general-discussion/fcc-actions-against-fm

    June 14, 2015 at 1:21 pm #40185
    Rich
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    … here’s the info:

    June 14, 2015 at 1:29 pm #40186
    Carl Blare
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    The prudence used by the FCC in past years is old style.

    The “Tiger Team” approach appears to be a “shoot first” rush to judgement not hampered by unmanly minutia.

    The “civilian” is left to legally “prove” he has legal rights. It’s a trend in law.

    It would be naive to trust the field intensity numbers claimed by invaders.

    June 14, 2015 at 6:24 pm #40189
    ArtisanRadio
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    Yeah, it doesn’t take much power to get significant FM range, particularly with a good elevated antenna.  For example, if your field strength at 3 meters is 28000uv/m, at 3000 meters (almost 2 miles), it would be 28 uv/m – line of sight, of course.  That is easily heard by a car FM radio.  And that’s just with a power output of 0.15mw.

    June 14, 2015 at 9:17 pm #40193
    Rich
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    … For example, if your field strength at 3 meters is 28000uv/m, at 3000 meters (almost 2 miles), it would be 28 uv/m – line of sight, of course.  That is easily heard by a car FM radio.  And that’s just with a power output of 0.15mw.

    Given that it can take only 0.15 mW applied to a 1/2-wave dipole to produce a field strength that is over 100 times the legal value permitted by FCC, then why would manufacturers offer, and anyone consider buying such a transmitter rated for an output power rating approaching/exceeding that?

    The most likely reasons are these (in some combination):

    • The manufacturers/users of such transmitters have not done the needed research for compliance with FCC §15.239
    • The manufacturers/users of such transmitters have done the research research for compliance with FCC §15.239, but decided to take the risk of an FCC action.
    June 14, 2015 at 9:49 pm #40197
    Rich
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    … For example, if your field strength at 3 meters is 28000uv/m, at 3000 meters (almost 2 miles), it would be 28 uv/m – line of sight, of course.  That is easily heard by a car FM radio.  And that’s just with a power output of 0.15mw.

    Given that it can take only 0.15 mW applied to a 1/2-wave dipole to produce a field strength that is over 100 times the legal value permitted by the FCC, then why would manufacturers offer to sell, and anyone consider buying a transmitter rated for an output power rating approaching/exceeding that?

    The most likely reasons are these (in some combination):

    • The manufacturers/users of such transmitters have not done the needed research for compliance with FCC §15.239
    • The manufacturers/users of such transmitters have done the needed research for compliance with FCC §15.239, but decided to take the risk of an FCC action by selling/using a non-compliant transmit system.

    _________

    Added later:  My Reply #12 here supplants my Reply #11 here.

    June 14, 2015 at 9:56 pm #40198
    Carl Blare
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    The preceeding is posed as an “either/or” choice, and I think either one of those might explain the over-powered FM transmitters available for sale.

    We don’t know how massive the problem really is from a blissful public buying those transmitters everyday and broadcasting without thought of checking the rules.

    A news reporter might try to get the sales numbers from ebay or the sellers and check out the buyers to see what they’re doing.

    Giving 1-Watt for hobbyists wouldn’t solve anything because the demand is greater than the supply for room on the FM band and there is no satisfactory solution.

    Why can’t we all just get along with AM?

    June 14, 2015 at 10:51 pm #40200
    Rich
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    … Why can’t we all just get along with AM?

    Aren’t Part 15 FCC Rules applying to unlicensed AM systems at least as equally misunderstood and misapplied as those for unlicensed FM systems?

    June 15, 2015 at 12:17 am #40206
    Carl Blare
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    Rich saying – “Aren’t Part 15 FCC Rules applying to unlicensed AM systems at least as equally misunderstood and misapplied as those for unlicensed FM systems?“

    That’s a question to which I don’t know the answer.

    Back to Add: But the question is a jump away from the original discussion, so we need to re-rail the discussion.

    We were discussing the ready availability of over-powered FM transmitters… the same is certainly not true of AM transmitters…

    Another key point is the crowding of the FM band and the willful push to use FM as a preference with prejudice for AM…

    But then… “rules equally misunderstood and misapplied…” well, perhaps on some days, but not equally sought… so I’d say…

    FM is less understood and the Rules misapplied more aften than with AM.

    What relevant information might you have to offer?

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