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A very important topic of discussion was brought about by a comment placed by member rich on the kc8gpd blog titled: “I Am Sick and Tired of the Politics”.
Rich said
A very important topic of discussion was brought about by a comment placed by member rich on the kc8gpd blog titled: “I Am Sick and Tired of the Politics”.
Rich said
“Way Off Topic for This Venue?
Submitted by Rich on August 5, 2012 – 18:48.Possibly someone could explain/justify why and how the previous comments in this thread might relate to those who wish to operate unlicensed transmit systems that are functionally compliant with Part 15?”
By “This Venue” rich is referring to the part15.us website as a whole.
By his comment rich implies by inference that part15.us exists exclusively for discussion of the Part 15 Rules of the FCC, strictly as printed, and that any comments outside of such discussion would be ruled “off topic”.
In other words, all discussion on the site would/must relate not only to the words in Part 15, but would at all times honor a “functionally compliant” form of that discussion, less any off page excursions into dysfunctional or non-compliant territory.
Since Mr. kc8gpd and I had been voicing political thoughts we certainly were far afield from thought of the 3-meter stick or other compliant function.
Such strict adherence to a purely technical part 15ish frame of discussion had frankly never occurred to me, and I consider the idea worth some thought.
Upon some reflection, it seems to me there is a huge volume of blank pages existing in the abstract containing “The unwritten doctrine of part 15 radio broadcasting”. Those pages look beyond the technical functioning of part 15 and address the application of the part 15 device, i.e., the transmitter system. A typical transmitter application would be the sending of words and music to an audience of small size. None of this is referred whatsoever in the FCC Part 15 language, but certainly is as much part of the world of existence as any input power or field strength.
We’ll call this audio by-product by the name “content” and obviously the ingredients of content are a constant concern of the part 15er. Those ingredients might well be political, at times, and indeed the part 15 rules themselves are a shackle at the end of a political chain to muzzle the unlicensed broadcaster, but not disallow him entirely.
I would go so far as to say the founders of the Republic from which Part 15 stems, men who spoke political words, were in fact the Nation’s first part 15 messengers, as their well trained voices carried as far as 200-feet.
While rich may take particular interest in the technical part of the part 15 subject, he surely would realize that the technical dimension by itself would be of futile function were it not for the content delivered by small broadcasters.
Total posts : 45366Well it’s obvious that the rules should be adhered to in what we do. There is no argument from me there.
However I will and very loudly argue that rules that do not work need to be changed.
The current Part 15 rules and the limitations they call for are not preserving interference free radio. In fact, Part 15 has a flea stink of a chance of causing interference. Anyone with basic level understanding will know and realize that weak signals only go so far, and that these signals, which barely create any far field worth mentioning, are just flat out incapable of causing such drastic interference that planes fall out of the sky along with the sky.
What causes interference are those who throw up nasty transmitters putting out way too much power and filthy with spur spurious spikes all over the spectrum. Those operators you can quote rules and thump the foot on the floor at.
But us here at Part 15, that is not what we do here or is what we intend to do. However, push someone far enough and your rules become pointless when all around licensed authorized entities are breaking those rules all the time.
In other words, don’t be the one to bring about the revolt.
All it takes is a flip of a switch friend. And there is NOTHING you can do about it. Hows them apples eh?
I can come here and say I’m going to throw up a 500 watt AM signal and a 500 FM signal. Now what ya gonna do about it? Quote rules to me all day long? Won’t do you any good because unless I am willing to listen to you, your words run through deaf ears.
Mothering us won’t help.
RFB
Total posts : 45366While rich may take particular interest in the technical part of the part 15 subject, he surely would realize that the technical dimension by itself would be of futile function were it not for the content delivered by small broadcasters.
The above clip from the post of carl is not relevant for systems that do not (functionally) comply with Part 15.
The FCC evaluates/cites unlicensed AM/FM stations on their electrical parameters, rather than on their program content.
Total posts : 45366My suggestion would be to arrange a very long itinerary and start traveling to every single Part 15 installation and validate their compliance yourself.
I think that is the only way your going to be satisfied. And something I would rather see happen than constant needless reminding to us who know about being in compliance.
I’m not really sure that is what your seeking anyway. Just what exactly is it you are seeking Rich?
Yes there are those who operate beyond those rules. Does that give you reason to think all of us are the same and entices you to come here and other places and quote the rules?
Now it would be different if those quotations were given to a new member who ASKED for them, or are looking for advice about the rules to which no doubt I vote you Rich as the Part 15 rule expert.
Put some faith that not everyone is a bad apple.
Are you?
RFB
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I changed my mind again. I just can’t continue the negativity.
Total posts : 45366MRAM you are the referee we need at times like these, when discussion starts to “take it outside.”
But here is the perverse thing about some negative discussions…..
They can be strangely entertaining for negative-based minds.
Batteries can’t work without their negative poles.
The defense rests.
Total posts : 45366to be honest with you, i think reverend rob just went off his rocker, (i do that sometimes my self) so just give him a BREAK guys! seriously! i think were all right on this… part 15 does has its share in some politics, but not all of the politics in our country, but reverend rob i don’t think you need to be concerned with “part 15 in politics” at least not right now or right away, maybe later we can be a little bit more concerned as it turns up….
Total posts : 45366i am simply getting tired of the negative politics on TV and the same theme from both parties which is to attack social security medicare and the middle class while giving the billionaires a pass.
i had a case negative political overload reaction syndrome.
they were not going to beam ads to colorado till further notice after the aurora shooting. took them less than a week to start running ads full bore again after the shooting.
Total posts : 45366If you ever put your thoughts and viewpoints in voice form on recording I would love to run it for my listening enjoyment. I love freethought and free speech programs.
If part 15.us isn’t the forum for political commentary, some part 15 stations ARE the place.
But if they are non-compliant it isn’t relevant.
Total posts : 45366Politics are in everything, including Part 15 radio and this very forum.
Politics is what governs our operations. Therefore it is very much a part of our hobby and discussion.
You cannot ignore the other side of the coin’s existence simply because it’s not appealing or something glorified to gaze at. It is there nonetheless, thus must be dealt with and discussed.
Consolidation never has worked and still doesn’t.
RFB
Total posts : 45366There are many aspects to Part 15 that are not technical in nature. Such as the programming, i.e., the content that is being broadcast. Which is the biggest part. And in my opinion, the most enjoyable, but then, that’s just my opinion.
Politics IS everywhere, and I’ve seen no rules here on this Forum that state that one should only discuss technical matters.
And I agree 100% with RFB. I would venture a guess that virtually all of the regular posters here, if not all, attempt to stay within the Part 15 (or the RSS-210 in Canada, or … take your pick for whatever country you’re in) guidelines. These guidelines, or “The Rules” are not 100% clear. So there is going to be interpretation, by both the broadcaster and the FCC, no matter how technical one might want to be.
Total posts : 45366In my other life as a home philosopher I am considering the idea that creativity falls into two main categories.
The most enjoyed are the constructive creative artists who build or make something for others to enjoy and learn
The other kind of artist is known as the “put down artist” who deconstructs and tears down what he can manage to destroy.
On the side of building and improving I have a suggestion.
Even though the site name “part15.us” frames the low power radio found in the U.S., I call to mind the fact that low power operators from all over the globe have come here to post.
I suggest we place in the Library the rules from every country on earth so we have a continuing glimpse of low power rules worldwide.
We are friendly. If not, we will fight until one of us begs us to stop.
Total posts : 45366If you can’t have a mound within your home as portrayed in Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind with part of the floor removed, then maybe Part 15 broadcasters should consider outdoor mounts on elevated earth such as mounds which should help alleviate the radiating ground problem. 😉
LoL ..
BTW, designing a home by either partially burying the structure or elevating the earth around the structure makes good thermal sense.
Total posts : 45366Not sure if I am following this correctly or not, but is some clarification required re: suitability of particular topics of discussion?
I personally don’t think we need the clarification, but let me know if we do and I am certain we can come up with something simple that works.
Total posts : 45366But here is the perverse thing about some negative discussions. They can be strangely entertaining for negative-based minds.
Is the conclusion to be taken from this quote and thread that posts accurately describing the technical functioning of “Part 15” systems are negative?
Why aren’t they considered as highly important to those interested in Part 15 systems?
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