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A few weeks ago I joined a Part 15 radio group on Facebook. Some nice, intelligent people there. However…
There are also an awful lot of blatantly illegal stations being shown there. Nice shot of a guy running a watt into a beautiful dipole today. Yesterday there was a guy with photos of his Rangemaster, elevated install, with a big fat obvious copper ground lead running from the transmitter to the ground.
The list goes on and on. Scary. These are the sorts of folks who can give Part 15 a bad name!
TIB
Total posts : 45366I agree. The Part 15 FM discussions there are scarier.
Total posts : 45366No kidding, very pro FM piracy on there.
Total posts : 45366I do agree if we are speaking of the same FaceBook page, but, we also have to take into consideration that that page has members who are situated worldwide and our rules do not apply to them.
People have to learn on their own what is right and what is wrong, no one else can do that for them.
It’s the same as the old saying if your friend jumps off of a mile high bridge, should you also follow them and do the same and are they to be held responsible if you do jump?
Lessons we learn in life is knowing right from wrong and we can only hold ourselves responsible for the decisions we make.
I do find some of the stories to be amusing at times and also educational at the same time.
Imagine if you will, that all those situations were actually legal in the eyes of the FCC, it would make this part 15 hobby more interesting and more educational as there would be more flexabilty as to what can and can’t be done.
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366To me, any group that has a FB page closed to outsiders is suspect. What do they have to hide? Why the secrecy? Are they afraid the FCC will read the posts and see the photos? If so, then that is a red flag. I wouldn’t want my name attached as a member of their little cabal.
Bill@Hobbycasters has documented evidence that the FCC has logged on to his site numerous times. He doesn’t care–he welcomes them.
Total posts : 45366I’m still hoping to get some of the people on part 15 AM and FM to join in the initiative for more power on FM. we also need to try and eliminate the 3 meter antenna and ground rules for AM. 100 milliwatt should be the norm. I’m glad that this might get out to my radio hobby is an Internet Radio is now in jeopardy.
Total posts : 45366Carmine5 Said:
To me, any group that has a FB page closed to outsiders is suspect. What do they have to hide? Why the secrecy?
MrBruce’s response.
Carmine5 I am a member of many Facebook pages that are unrelated to any type of broadcasting and they are closed groups. It enables them to ban people who spam their pages with crap. YOU HAVE TO BE APPROVED BEFORE YOU CAN POST ANYTHING TO THAT GROUP.
One such group is one where photos of my city’s past history are posted by the admins and trusted members of the group, nothing there that the FCC would care about, just photos of my city’s past 150 years. That group is called Norwich Pictures.
So I think you misunderstand the Facebook system, I can see closed groups, I just can’t post to them.
Question for you since you brought up HB, why the CLOSED HIDDEN “MEMBER’S ONLY” FORUM over there where daggers are jammed into other people’s backs, BEHIND their backs? Huh??????? Please answer me that question!
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366LOL. I was going to bring that up too, Bruce.
Total posts : 45366ArtisanRadio Said:
LOL. I was going to bring that up too, Bruce.
MrBruce Said: Well it’s TRUE, why would a law abidding person have a hidden forum section where you need HIS approval to see it and the personal back stabbing that takes place in it?
I’ll bet the FCC does NOT have open access to it either. So lets see the horse for the color it really is here.
And why did Carmine5 include a mail to bill link in his post? No one here wishs to speak to anyone who claims part15us is a harbor of blatant radio broadcast pirates.
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366LOL. And who’s going to spam a Part 15 radio FB page? That’s like someone spamming a FB page dedicated to camel’s milk ice cream (which exists, BTW). It’s like, who cares beyond a few diehard fans?
The people who have the Part 15 radio FB page won’t even let you read the posts, let alone post anything without their approval. At least with Hobbycaster and here you can read the posts if not participate.
As for the Hobbycaster member’s only sections, I have no problem getting to any of them. Maybe if you drop the sour, argumentative attitude you can access that information too. Bill is trying to keep the site positive and legal without any toxic nonsense from disgruntled posters.
Total posts : 45366Carmine5 lets stop the hoobybroadcaster promotions here okay, because no one is doing that for part15us over there.
Why are you here? Bill posts regularly that part15us is a pirates haven, and it’s done in his hidden forum. I personally think part15us is against illegal pirate operations 100% just as much as the other place is. I trust my fellow forum members here as law abidding members and persoannly resent this place being called a heaven for illegal radio pirates!
You ask me questions about my access to his forum, he banned me for defending myself against his favorite member, who OUT RIGHT PUBLISHED and ACCUSED ME of being an ILLEGAL RADIO PIRATE. Which was DEAD WRONG!! I am NOT responsible for what other U.S. citizens do with their FM transmitters. I was the center of the attacks not anyone else.
I simply provided a stream using Barix equpment, but did not own or operate any transmitters that carried that stream over the broadcast bands.
I don’t know why you have issues with seeing closed Facebook groups, because I don’t.
I have seen many accounts hacked on Facebook and PORN being posted by those hacked accounts, so YES, PORN SPAM is an issue even in closed groups. Open groups DO NOT need admin approval for posts and often PORN pics or links are posted to those groups. Until an admin can get in and clean the posts out people have to look at that smut!
A closed group means you can not post unless you are approved by the admin.
You still have not told me the purpose of Bill’s HIDDEN “Member’s only” forum. When I was a member over there, I seen a lot of back stabbing taking place in that area and I am sure NOTHING has changed since my being banned.
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366Oh one last thing about Facebook posts.
When I post ANYWHERE on Facebook, even on another person’s page, I have control over who can see my posts, either public, private or friends only.
People who liked my former WXTZ facebook page had the abilty to block me, the page admin from seeing who liked my page. I would see a notice that someone liked the page, but could not see who it was because that person blocked me from seeing that information.
So, that should tell you something you may not have known unless you created your own Facebook page and if you do, I can like your page but I can also block you from seeing who I am and Facebook won’t tell you who I am no matter what, because I can join your page under the private status. So keep that in mind.
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366“To me, any group that has a FB page closed to outsiders is suspect.”
Yeah, ok. So I run a FB group for my high school class. For privacy reasons, I keep it closed. Does that make is suspect all of a sudden?
And there are private sections at HB. We all know it. Should that be suspect?
Just because a FB group is closed doesn’t mean there’s something shady going on. I’m a member of several FB groups that are private. Nothing shady going on there, people just want a private place to talk.
It’s fine that Bill wants to keep HB legal and all, but the downside is that you can’t even question why rules are the way they are. That’s why I prefer it here – more people to ask “hey, what if…?”. No, I don’t mean anything illegal, but where else can you talk about how to change the laws? Definitely not at HB.
In fact, I don’t even see the point of HB. You can’t discuss much which hasn’t been hashed out 1000 times over the years – things you can Google. And if you step into a gray area you’re asked to leave. It doesn’t sound appealing to me. That’s why I came here.
Total posts : 45366I have a FB page for my business. The security settings allow for the public to read what is posted while only friends or friends of friends can contribute. The Part 15 Radio people have shut out the public entirely for some inexplicable reason. If their page is about promoting Part 15 radio then I would think they would want the public (or at least FB users) to be able to read it, if not contribute.
While I have no interest in promoting any site, I will respond if someone unfairly criticizes a site as happens here frequently with Hobbybroadcaster. As far as the HB site having information that has already been posted a 1000 times over, the same could be said of Part 15.us. There’s only so many ways you can install and operate this stuff while keeping it legal. And the Part 15 rules have been parsed, dissected and re-interpreted to fare thee well on both sites.
Sure, Bill can be a control freak but he’s trying to keep his site from getting personal and snarkey. And I can tell you that if anyone criticizes Part 15.us on the HB site, Bill removes it–unlike here with HB.
Total posts : 45366Their reasoning isn’t inexplicable. Have you asked them? Maybe they don’t want outsiders. There’s a FB group I belong to about the community where I grew up. It’s private. I didn’t make it, and I don’t care that it’s private. Nothing shady going on there, it’s the discretion of the owner(s).
As for “keeping it legal”, the biggest difference I see between here and other sites is that at least here you can question the validity of the laws we have to follow. Just because laws exist doesn’t mean their logical, or serve the community. In radio’s case, I would say the law is contradictory to the spirit of radio itself (see what I did there?). My local NYC station doesn’t give one s**t about MY community, so why can’t I create a community station? Because the law says so? So change the law. At least here I can discuss that openly.
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