- September 23, 2018 at 3:04 pm #106612
I think that this needs to be in at least three forms.
Short. For on air broadcast, and for those that believe that short and sweet is best on a website (i.e., a sentence or two).
Medium. A more in-depth statement describing Part 15 broadcasting. May be suitable for occasional (i.e., every 24 hours) on-air broadcasting. Probably more suitable for a relatively short description on a website (i.e., a paragraph or two).
Long. For the detail lovers of the field. An in depth discussion of Part 15 broadcasting, what it is, and what it is not. Suitable for an entire web page. Probably not suitable for on air broadcast.
I don’t believe that the term ‘pirate broadcasting’ should even enter into the framework of these statements. Those comparisons have their purpose, such as when enlightening politicians (i.e., timinbovey’s treatise), but make little difference to the general listening public (and, in fact, can divert them from what you’re attempting to achieve).
I intend on making an attempt at coming up with some suitable words, and invite others on this Forum to do so as well.
- September 23, 2018 at 3:22 pm #106617
FWIW I think the phrase “Pirate Broadcasting (er)” almost has to be included, since that is the phrase that’s being pounded into the minds to the public, law enforcement, property owners, etc. Trying to call it something else just ads another level of complication.
Granted it’s generally best to use positive language, but it’s also wise to keep it simple and use terms the general public understands. After all, it’s the “Pirate Act” not the “Unauthorized Broadcaster Act” or some such.
Just my 2 cents.
Personally, when needed, I’ll stick with the various things I’ve already created. But your idea is not a bad one.
- September 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm #106618
For several years I have been using the phrase “… Authorized under FCC Regulation Part 15″…
It is true, it is a fact, and is not a false claim to being “licensed”.
Such language puts the station image at an official level.
- September 23, 2018 at 3:55 pm #106619
But it is something else – it’s part 15 broadcasting.
Trying to say that you’re not a pirate is almost like protesting too much. You might be believed, you might not.
If you focus on what you really are, i.e. broadcasters authorized by the appropriate authorities, then you don’t bring up the issue, period.
Let’s see what we can come up with and go from there.
- September 24, 2018 at 8:32 am #106622
It would be good to come up with something other than part 15 broadcasting as this refers to the US only. I’ll try to think of something that can encompass Canada and the US. General broadcasting service makes you think of commercial, not unlicensed broadcasting.
- September 24, 2018 at 9:13 am #106623
Mark, I agree. It should be ‘plug and play’ – you plug in the appropriate regulatory authorities in the indicated places, as well as your own station name, and just go.
- September 24, 2018 at 10:05 am #106624
Naming and Name Calling
General Broadcasting Service is way too non-descript and as Mark said, hard to differentiate from licensed broadcast.
FCC Part 73 – Radio Broadcast Services – includes ALL types of licensed broadcast to the general public, even television! It covers AM, Commercial FM, Non-Commercial FM, LPFM, LPTV and International Shortwave.
Whatever name is invented to give unlicensed legal low power radio its own category has got to stand apart from the licensed naming and the interference naming (Part 15).
We have the complication that users of legal low power have different missions… small business, neighborhood station, community station, real estate station, christmas light station, personal station…
According to Bill DeFelice, in our thread about describing the difference between legal and pirate operation, we are called “illiterate”.
FCC Part 16 – Illiterate Broadcasting
- This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Carl Blare.
- September 24, 2018 at 10:38 am #106627
Yes he goes a long way to be insolent and obnoxious. I’m not sure how one can claim copyrights to links to other sites that he posts daily. I am beginning to think his sycophants are in fact him. And his phony “legal” department, well that’s another thing LOL!
- September 24, 2018 at 10:36 am #106626
Digging Around In the Rules
I propose moving what we now call “Part 15 low power broadcasting” away from the Part 15 section, whose main purpose is to limit interference, and to list it in…
Part 95 – Personal Radio Services.
But the need for a unique name still exists. Part 95 Subpart G – Low Power Radio Service – would be a great name, except it’s already taken for such things as “auditory assistance devices”, but overall Part 95 would be a logical place for what we are trying to describe.
By the way, Part 95 already includes CB radio and the other forms of 2-way license free service available to individuals and families.
To get up to speed in name-searching, spend some time paging around in the rules.
- September 25, 2018 at 7:48 am #106636
Final Opinion on the Subject
Continuing on the opinion expressed in the previous post Digging Around the Rules, I am now locking down on the proposal that this is exactly what should be done to end the now insufficient Part 15 classification for low power broadcasters.
Part 15 mention of “Intentional Radiators” should remain in print as a mirror reflection of the new status of what we’ll call Micro Broadcasting added to Part 95.
Part 95 Micro Broadcasting would categorize the Application by Private Individuals of small broadcast stations on the broadcasting bands, whereas Part 15 Intentional Radiators would set the Technical Specifications as it already does.
Requests for exception to the Part 15 section for power increases is a whole other matter not part of my stand for a new listing category.
Changes being sought by TheInitiative headed by TheLegacy is an entirely separate and unrelated quest for increased power authority and our move for added status IN NO WAY conflicts nor competes with that endeavor.
- September 25, 2018 at 8:56 am #106637
Carl: The only issue I have is placing this service under Part 95 which is clearly for 2 way personal radio. My recommendation is to place an addendum to Part 73.
- September 25, 2018 at 9:32 am #106638
Let’s Shake On That
AMRadiolegend says two things: “Part 95 which is clearly for 2 way personal radio. My recommendation is to place an addendum to Part 73.”
Carl comes in favorably on both…
1.) A man broadcasts and listens to himself, to be counted as two men under Part 95;
2.) The whole thing Addended to Part 73… fine by me! Sounds good!
- September 26, 2018 at 3:26 pm #106662
Sorry I haven’t been keeping up with this and I just found out about this today via a member of the new radio Revolution who told me about it.
As you may know we have been discussing in the elite section of our website a new service 4 individuals to broadcast and easily obtainable way to broadcast but yet is not pee pee power like part 15 but at the same time is not as strong as LPFM.
The intent of this service is to allow an itch genres to be played on the radio and Revitalize AM radio sense FM as far as any type of increase is absolutely non-workable in the United States for any negotiations.
I’m going to go out and call a spade a spade as I have been talking to people on other AM Radio forums and say that AM radio is dying it is a dying band and that’s just the way it is. This year alone 13 AM radio stations have gone dark that pretty much says a lot for what the future for AM radio as far as commercial broadcast and goes. You figure we’re only in the month of September and already 13 AM stations have gone dark permanently. If we have 13 radio stations go off the air on a.m. every few months it won’t be long until the band is absolutely clear it out.
Moving forward now is the time to ask for more power but as a different service then part 15. In the beginning I suggested calling it micro broadcasting but many folks scoff at that name. After although micro broadcasting is exactly what we’re trying to accomplish but only making it legal in the band to do this is AM particularly from about 1620 to 1700 kilohertz as this is the upper portion of the band and is already being used by Hobby broadcasters.
The reason there must be a separate service and not to fool with part 15 is because this service will be allowing General users or citizens to broadcast up to a 2-mile radius with at least 40 dbuv of signal power on a Tecsun PL 380 or 880 or similar radio with a DB UV meter. This will guarantee that portable radios can listen particularly when dealing with the noise level on AM radio as it is today.
I’m not going into the real deep technical specifications on what we are asking for for a few reasons. One the NAB and to the radio Sheriff who could have time enough to get his Squad together to stamp out the petition before it even begins. That being said this petition shell make a grand statement that it is different than part 15 but yet shall not be restrictive two individuals who truly want to broadcast and get a decent range for an audience.
If a license is required it should be easily obtainable so easy for example as AG Mrs license you simply tell the FCC Where You Are planning to erected station and you’re pretty much set to go. And this service will alleviate the pirate FM problem by making c-quam AM stereo a mandatory requirement to get the increasing power. In other words if you don’t use c-quam stereo you’re stuck with part 15 power. If you use c-quam then you get the increase power that we are asking for.
I am not willing to accept nor entertain the old additive that these radios are not available or are not made anymore because the company known as SPARC a well-known hdradio company also has the capability of decoding c-quam AM stereo in these radios.
This will allow people to be able to broadcast stereo demanding genres such as classic country album rated Rock and a few other genres that people demands stereo to listen to. Also it is to help alleviate the fear of competition by the NAB because we are demanding that c-quam stereo be used. This will help improve AM radio.
As far as the word Hobby in this term for a new service we have pondered upon this and were advised that that particular name sounds cheesy and could deter us from any type of new service because it sounds like someone who doesn’t really care about their programming or has any type of compassion. But you can’t call it citizens Broadcasting Service because it sounds too close to CB radio. Micro Broadcasting would be the way to call it and that is what the Pirates used to call it because it is less power then commercial broadcasting or even low-powered FM which uses around a hundred Watts.
Already there’s enough talk about this on public boards whereas the NAB could have enough ammunition to kill it this is why it was talked about originally on an elite section there’s a reason for the elite section and that is to talk about things and get things done before any enemy entities have a chance to kill it. Now that it’s been talked about in public I’m sure the enemy is already working on a way to kill it. I’m sure the radio Sheriff site in his hidden forms behind the Iron Curtain already has his posse working on a rebuttal to go to the FCC to kill this idea before it even starts.
So now we must work faster and getting it done that means less time to allow anyone to comment about it before the final draft is posted to the FCC. This is to sort of do a shock and awe response to stop any enemy attack against this proposal.
Originally the plan was to talk about it in the elite section and then when it was ready to be posted we would put it in the public section of our site for commenting then only days after bam it’s presented. At least we were being a little more upfront than a particular Yahoo group which posted a very restricted petition at that behind the new radio revolutions back in order to try and get a petition up before we got ours up.
If we’re going to think of a name let’s do it and do it quick I suggest going to the initiative site to talk about this and basically if you’re a ride or die I will give you a lead access but you must show that you are a ride or die. I’m not going to have wishy-washy folks on this petition it must be ride or die.
- September 26, 2018 at 6:13 pm #106666
Given the spectacular exhibition just presented by The Legacy I would point to one section in particular of his plan:
“The intent of this service is to allow an itch genres to be played on the radio and Revitalize AM radio sense FM as far as any type of increase is absolutely non-workable in the United States for any negotiations.”
From there we can do all the rest.
- September 26, 2018 at 7:42 pm #106669
I’m just attempting to understand what TheLegacy’s reply has to do with Part 15 Broadcasting and marketing same.
- September 27, 2018 at 8:43 am #106675
<b>Part 15 is a set of restrictive rules set forth by the FCC but does not describe the thpe of Programming or Broadcasting a serious unlicensed broadcaster may exhibit. One asks a question about our General Broadcasting Service proposal be prepared to get an answer although you may not like what the preacher has to say!!</b>
Listen and you shall HEAR!!! Part 15 was originally meant for Short Range broadcasting this we can agree. The FCC when making the restrictive rules for part 15 may or may not have realized that a broadcast on 100 mW into a 3 meter antenna could carry quite far under certain conditions but rather they did or not we are legally able to use it.
<b>Beating around the mulberry Bush</b>
Talks of hidden expectations of what our group may or may not do keep appearing in threads ever so cleverly so as to hopefully not attract attention from us but trust me it gets out to us while what should happen is these statements and questions need to have been posted on our web site NO? I know its a reversal of psychology tactic to lure us into posting secret info about our proposal to get to our enemies at the NAB so they have time to react in their secret meetings and maybe attempt to turn FCC agents against our goals.
<b>I think since there is not enough ride-or-dies is to just submit the proposal to the FCC and show the public we are not clowning around.</b>
Trying to get some Rock bands on board with our proposal as well so we can show the FCC that there is something wrong that needs fixing and we here at The New Radio Revolution are going to fix this issue OR DIE TRYING hence the phrase RIDE-OR-DIE!!
So Help us or get out of the way!!
- September 27, 2018 at 9:04 am #106676
Advice to Ignore
TheLegacy issued: “So Help us or get out of the way!!”
We are not in your way, and in fact this forum offers you a second outlet for your message, which makes us your ally.
As far as helping you, we certainly would if we knew what to do but we have different goals and ambitions that do not coincide with what you are trying to accomplish, but we wish you well and hope you succeed.
It would help your effort to use diplomacy.
Holding Part15_org responsible for your lack of progress makes no sense whatsoever.
- September 27, 2018 at 10:37 am #106680
Legacy….with all due respect all of us would like more range than we have….in the USA, or Canada, on AM and FM.
I am with you but as I told you a long time ago I am in Canada and can’t do much from here except wish you well in getting change. But if I was in the USA here’s what would turn me away…..first you are wanting things in your quest that have no chance in hell of ever happening…..you are not realistic. For example two miles to a certain type of radio and it HAS to be C QUAM ONLY?? Come on, rethink that. That’s ridiculous. Some of the things you say like if album rock isn’t offered in a certain market there should be a jail term for the owners of the stations?
You’ve been talking petition for what….3 years almost? and this is just continuing talk with nothing happening.
There was an election year when the congress people running for election would listen to you. You did nothing. I even informed you a little while back of an announcement that the FCC wanted to hear from the public and they WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU but you did nothing. I’ve always been on your side…but….
You have to come to your senses and be more realistic in the change you want to see.
You have to be a moderate about this and not a radical in what you want to ask for and not suggest “crazy things”, or you WILL die trying! And this is the best way I can say this.
I hope you can take some of my advice and I wish you luck.
- September 27, 2018 at 11:04 am #106683
Thelegacy, if you’re going going to continue your posting along this path, please start a new topic. We’re way off topic now, and moving further away with each post.
And as for getting out of your way, no one is in front of you. Go for it.
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