- January 4, 2019 at 1:32 pm #108528
- January 4, 2019 at 4:45 pm #108530
Well, based on this, they better soon expand the FM band to 76-108 like elsewhere as TV is no longer there and it’s blank space anyways. No radios with TV audio from channels 2-13 have anything there so why can’t FM go down to 76 mHz?
AM expanded and that wasn’t even needed as space was never at a premium.
- This reply was modified 1 week, 5 days ago by Mark.
- January 4, 2019 at 8:00 pm #108532
the writing is on the wall so Now let’s ask for 10 Watts and 1620-1700 for hobby broadcasting. That would go 3 miles to a Good portable.
But some will go down with the sinking ship.
- January 5, 2019 at 5:33 am #108533
10 Watts in 1620-1710 is already a licensed radio venue, it’s called TIS.
- January 5, 2019 at 6:12 am #108534
What the Future Should Be
R. Powers said: “10 Watts in 1620-1710 is already a licensed radio venue, it’s called TIS.”
There is logic in viewing TIS as the ultimate future of AM radio.
Traffic Information Stations are intended to provide useful and necessary public information over a limited area.
Meanwhile the full-power licensed AM stations sucking up all that electricity and contributing to global warming are all at once looked-to during large scale emergencies but only a small fraction of them manage to provide vital information.
When tomorrow comes and mankind is saved we should have two classes of TIS stations on the AM dial.
The 10-Watt class would contiue to provide local area information, and their new big brothers the 10 kW TIS stations would exist primarily for large area public information.
The remainder of the medium wave (AM) band would go to Home Radio… the future of part 15 with license free stations programmed and operated by those home owners who decide to host a radio station serving their neighborhood. Obviously not everyone on the street will want to be bothered, so it will fall to us… the faithful and loyal keepers of the low power flicker.
- January 5, 2019 at 6:57 am #108536
What I meant was those power levels on the expanded band is already allocated as a licensed service. That licensed service was originally created almost specifically to lessen the then growing utilization of unlicensed part15 for that same purpose.
Part 15 by definition can not possibly achieve any appreciable range, that would be in direct contradiction to it’s created purpose and capability. We are already fortunate that it has always been permitted to operate under 15.219 beyond what the rule as it is written actually permits. The only hope of the hobby broadcaster ever being permitted higher power in the broadcast bands would be the creation of a new class of licensed broadcasting, which of course with it would incur additional expense and stipulations.
Part 15 is essentially free of legal operating cost, and free of any paperwork, and free from any control of what or when your permitted to air.. Part 15 is… free. Like riding you’re bicycle, if you want to more power you can drive a car, but that requires a license, fuel expense, insurance.. which of course is not free.
Hope for more power in part 15 is a fairy tale.
- January 5, 2019 at 7:55 am #108537
“What I meant was those power levels on the expanded band is already allocated as a licensed service.”
Yes Rich Powers, I agreed with what you said in what I said. T.I.S. already exists as a 10-Watt service.
Of course as an existing service T.I.S. could grow and expand in the ways I wrote about.
Also, agreeing that present-day part 15 is not apt to change to the degree hoped by operators wanting to reach more range, so I called it “Home Radio”.
However, I disagree with myself for calling “Home Radio” the future of part 15. It would be better to say that it would be a new class to allow use of the abandoned AM band for neighborhood radio service on a scale smaller than LPFM and unlimited as to ownership.
The bug in the idea is that untrained operators while be technically unqualified to operate anything above part 15 levels and even those with skills may be hampered by location or budget.
Therefore the problem for unlicensed operation above current part 15 levels is not simply a matter of more Wattage.
But as the medium wave band becomes blighted, we are reasonable to have an interest in utilizing the spectrum.
- January 5, 2019 at 12:25 pm #108538
Well, I don’t think I said or implied anything to say the future of Part 15 was “Home Radio”, but I doubt there’s any chance of the FCC ever permitting it’s operation to cover ranges any farther than a mile.. in fact a half mile seems to be the “acceptable” range of such installations, always has been, and that’s likely how it will remain.
As for the possibility TIS stations reach expanding.. that’s not so unlikely a scenario, in fact it’s already occurred in some cases; with the recent wildfire disasters TIS was provided waivers to up their power and many installations have been upgraded in response. A few years ago a new “mega-sized” TIS in Pennsylvania was granted several waivers in it’s construction which resulted in multiplying it’s range threefold: http://www.theradiosource.com/articles/news-2015-aug.htm
I tend to have a keen interest in TIS, not just because it originated out of 15.219 back on the 70’s, but because I believe it’s the very thing that will might actually keep the AM broadcast bands from disappearing from automobile and home radios.
I find it interesting that the FCC maintains the database of all broadcast facilities with the exception of one category- which is TIS.. That is maintained by Homeland Security, and I don’t think their going to let it go away, because it’s the most dependable method of communicating with the public in times of disaster (such as the recent wildfires) when all other forms of communication were down.
- January 5, 2019 at 12:41 pm #108539
“…The bug in the idea is that untrained operators while be technically unqualified to operate anything above part 15 levels and even those with skills may be hampered by location or budget. Therefore the problem for unlicensed operation above current part 15 levels is not simply a matter of more Wattage…
You don’t need more wattage or know-how, all that’s needed is more antenna! I had no idea what I was doing when I hooked my Rangemaster into the grounding system of the pavilion about a decade ago, but achieved at least 5 miles of listenable range.. It wasn’t talent that accomplished that, it was my ignorance.
- January 5, 2019 at 2:12 pm #108541
We Are More Or Less Saying the Same Thing
R. Powers: “I don’t think I said or implied anything to say the future of Part 15 was “Home Radio”.”
No. You didn’t. I did.
- January 5, 2019 at 4:14 pm #108542
Yes, I realize that, but I thought you extrapolated that out of what I said..
No, I’m lying, I just misread your response the first time.
Ok, let’s talk about something else. Why is part15.org and the ALPB forums so extremely quiet lately? There’s fewer post going one in a month than there used to be in a single day.. and what happened to part15.us? Why does there seem to be thousands of old post missing here?, which explains why links to threads here from other sources (like the radiodiscussions forum for example) simply land on the main page here instead of the topic it was supposed to? What happened that led to the ALPB changing chairman 3 times in just a few months.. Is a tomato a vegetable or a fruit, and why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near?
What the heck have I missed in the months I’d been gone?
- January 5, 2019 at 4:24 pm #108543
Oh I forgot one..
Why do I always have such a hard time getting a hold of your LPH episodes? You must move them around on a quarterly basis.
- January 5, 2019 at 9:47 pm #108547
You Asking Me?
The original part 15.us was attacked by hackers and crippled, so the owner Mr. Janze went to work repairing the damage and I think moved to a new server and came back as part15.org for reasons that I don’t know about, but I think now the original name part15.us also links here.
The last I heard all the original contents of part15.us exist but need to be manually sorted and returned to the new system, which is done by one or two people in their spare time.
The history of the ALPB would best be told by its present executors who know more about it.
The Low Power Hours have been off-line because the opening and closing credits are no longer valid. Maybe I can give you (Rich Powers) a private address so you can bring a pickup truck late at night… or, I mean, download them for yourself. I will look into it.
Also, during the summer I got pissed about the rise of fascism in America and went on a silent protest by withdrawing all my radio programs but that protest expired and I’ve been slow restoring service since no one seemed to miss it until now.
Tomatoes are good on whole-wheat with melted provolone cheese and no one knows whether they are a fruit or vegetable.
Birds follow and obey me day and night.
- January 6, 2019 at 1:02 am #108548
One of the reasons that people don’t post on these forms so much anymore is that there is a Great Divide in the belief system and pretty much a stalemate.
There are a few of us that believed that sense there is a possible death in the not-so-distant future of the am broadcast band if things don’t start to change and that now is the time to try and change some things that would allow some type of service between the powers of the Travelers information stations and what we use now called part 15 Broadcasting.
There is only so much that can be said about the present rules and what will never happen. Therefore just like the am broadcast band that is dying so too are the memberships and participation in these forms because no one seems to be willing to try and fight for any type of improvement to the Hobby.
However in other countries lots of improvements have been made. I just found out that New Zealand you know the country that allows one Watt on FM well now they’re hobby Broadcasting Service maybe going up to 5 Watts Plus and get this no license is required at least not in the same regulatory sense that we have here in the United States and guess what no planes of falling from the sky.
The Chicken Little scenario is only a ploy to keep individuals from ever being able to legally And I stress the word legally hit the airwaves with any kind of real audience. And whenever a success story is told about a legal transmitter getting out to miles it’s usually combated with a oh you must be a pirate type answer when Keith Hamilton of rangemaster that has put up on their website that it is more than possible to get a signal out to Miles and still be compliant under the rules that are already established.
I would never put up any sort of pictures of my radio station on any of these public forums because you have folks that do play both sides of the fence pretending to be your friend and waiting the snitch on you the first chance they get. That is to another reason people are keeping their mouth shut pictures off of these websites and being very vague about the radio station and maybe it’s best to keep your mouth shut about it as far as your setup if I do post a picture it would be so basic just a picture of the audio processor and how much modulation is going out. No picture of an antenna no picture of the property none of that just basic equipment tight pictures.
- January 6, 2019 at 5:51 am #108551
I’m lightly familiar with unlicensed radio in New Zealand, they can operate in a manner with FM very similar to the method which licensed TIS originally were permitted in AM, in that they were not permitted to in operate within the broadcast bands itself, but only just above or below it, yet still within the capabilities of most standard radios to receive it.
I haven’t heard anything about them going increasing the limit to five watts, but don’t really follow it closely, but the situation and culture between there and here are hardly comparable. For starters, New Zealand is very tiny, the entire country is about the size of Colorado and has less people in it… and the airwaves probably aren’t already over saturated with licensed broadcasters like it is here. So comparing their regulations to ours is hardly a valid comparison or argument to allow the same here.
It just couldn’t work here, you just can’t give 5 watts of legal power to something like part15 and expect it won’t cause total pandemonium to the airwaves. The pirates have already done that, and you seem to be suggesting that increasing part 15 limits would somehow be a solution since fewer people would have to resort to pirating.. I just don’t see the reasoning in that.
Part 15 is just what it is, it’s free, largely unregulated, and we actually are provided more leeway than the rules have ever actually permitted. You want more power, get a licensed, you say it’s too hard, well it seems like every time I turn around I hear about another former part 15 broadcaster has upgraded to a licensed LPFM station, so it appears evident it is accomplishable with some genuine effort — Oh, but like most everything else ni life, it’s not free.
As for not posting pictures of installations.. that’s understandable. I seriously doubt there have ever been many part15 installations that actually conformed to written rules. The truth of the matter, with AM anyway, is we operate through the door which Yellowstone opened 50 years ago with the creation of the outdoor whip and mast transmitters which has become the standard today. This has always been known to be non compliant with 15.219 yet openly and consistently permitted. Three times the problematic rule 15.219 has been up for elimination, and three times had been voted to allow it to remain.. Why?, because you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
The largest and most predominate use of 15.219 has always been by national parks and recreation, and pictures of those installations are also far and few between, because none of them actually conform, never have, they need a ground. However.. they all generally conform to what has become known as “the spirit of part 15”, which basically means to limit it’s range to under a mile. It’s what has worked for the last 50 years and what works today.
- January 6, 2019 at 6:01 am #108552
Oh I just ramble on to much don’t I??
One of the reasons that people don’t post on these forms so much anymore is that there is a Great Divide in the belief system and pretty much a stalemate.
Great divide in the belief system? -It two things: 1. Pirate 2. Part 15
This is a part 15 forum.
- January 6, 2019 at 9:25 am #108553
I think the reason for lack of activity is simply a dead end in new things to talk about. When you have 100s of members and only 5 actually participate it gets stale after awhile.
Most topics discussing transmitters, rules in Canada and the USA, FM, AM, radios, ground leads, range, programing, streaming, BETS-1, Decade, more power, etc, has been talked out and is covered in past posts over and over in the last 10 years. Even the topic of what did you do to your part 15 station today can only go so far…..how many do something new to their station every day?
Carl seems to be the only one who can keep it going but that is one person and a lot of the time there’s nothing to comment on his posts. When I started the Rap discussions at least it got things going for a few days!
That being said, the other forum that won’t let you join without the right email address manages to have new discussion each day. How? Maybe that’s something to look into. They can do it with only 4 or 5 people participating. One thing I seem to see, on part 15.org and the ALPB, it’s the same 5 people going back and forth to each. But on the “other” forum their members are exclusive to that forum and are not members of any others. I’ve seen on Facebook that some ex-participants here are posting there and no where else. Maybe the answer is more loyalty to one forum or the other? I don’t know.
The two Facebook hobby radio forums seem to do a little better but they go stagnant for days at a time also. But those forums have more than 5 participants. And again those at Facebook with few exceptions are only posters there.
I’ve also never understood abandoning a forum due to the politics in the USA as a protest by an American or Canadian as what does a hobby radio forum have to do with it?
Well that’s my take on the subject.
- January 6, 2019 at 10:43 am #108554
Well.. yeah. You can only talk about the same thing so much and there’s only so much that can be addressed about a specific topic. But you know so often one topic can quickly morph into another, which in turn results in more responses.. at HB these topic drifts are often broken off at the drift and relocated to a new or appropriate existing thread – which initially can sometimes feel annoying, but it proves invaluable when it comes to trying to actually find something you’re looking for later, so it works at well.
I don’t really get the problem with Gmail and similar free email accounts but evidently it poses substantial risk to site security.. I don’t know, it’s an unfortunate situation.
I lost the point of where I was going… I was saying was if someone post -something, -anything, regardless of it being the same ole, or of particular interest or not, it almost always results with another talking from a different viewpoint, a correction of misconceptions, or a different subject altogether, and the ball tends to start rolling.
Total silence on the other hand incites nothing. They say still waters run deep, but it also stagnates. Of course certain subjects just don’t belong. Like politics for example – I mean, sure someone might be compelled to express an embedded political opinion they have on occasion, and that’s fine, but it’s usually sure to escalate into a disruptive and pointless argument which has no relation whatsoever to the hobby..
I don’t get it either. Personally I’ve never been particularly politically minded myself, and hardly even know the difference between right and left; it’s all deceitful crap to me. If I had interest in that kind of thing I would go to a political discussion forum to hash it out.
I’ve always been one to frequent any available part 15 forum, they’re all different and have their own ways. I liked the Community Radio USA forum when it was around, and when it disappeared ten or fifteen years ago part15.us became my primary hangout, and some at the ALPB when it was created. Then around the time pirates seemed to be for a span of time pirate promotion seemed to be taking over here and my primary hangout became the HB forums which always nips it at the bud and even bans people if necessary… yes, sometimes it appears sometimes a personal vengeance that in my opinion wasn’t a warranted action, but those kind of things occur most anywhere, personalities can just clash too hard. It’s part of life.
- January 6, 2019 at 11:13 am #108555
AM Part 15 (Or Otherwise is some suggest) is a FAR CRY FROM FREE!!!
Some pretending to be my friend on part 15 forums has road both sides of the fence and tried to KILL my station. But what they didn’t know was that Album Rockers are resilient, able to adapt to stumbling blocks to get something done. They don’t sit whimpering about what happened to them and give up. The fact that I had a few two-faced folks trolling my posts only made me stronger and now I have a broadcast engineer backing me 100% alongside a person who has backed me since June 5, 2015. That being said Yes the next step is the LPFM and by my engineer friend who has paid more than a grand for my station (Hardly Free Folks compared to FM).
Canada is almost like the USA and when the democrats get done screwing up our country when its said and done Canada WILL become our NEW government and BETS-1 power levels WILL be legal. Now this brings me to my next statement:
Rich Powers has demonstrated so articulately just how pushing the envelope got us what we have now on AM. Even when some jealous people with the work of Satan in their hearts trying to destroy other Hobby stations have failed the FCC has NOT killed part 15:219. There is another reason for this and I’ll explain how this has helped the commercial Radio broadcasters on AM and that is how to work with limited antenna and ground real estate. This has been shown in new antenna designs for comercial AM that are shorter and yet the station is able to get out. Land is a finite resource and getting more expensive all the time.
By allowing Hobby Broadcasting on AM call it BETS-1, Part 15, Ga Ga Goo Goo or whatever it promotes the experimenting and education of Radio and keeps the spirit alive. This is why the FCC will NEVER abolish Hobby Broadcasting even when certain greedy entities who are slaves to the God of the green back try and lobby, bribe or other racketeering tactics to sway the FCC. The vary agent that visited me told me Face-To-Face they DON’T hate Hobby broadcasting. That was a big statement for him to say to me and my wife. Another was how he liked the programming and sound and conduct on air. So again if it were not for these entities who have hate in their hearts we’d have 5 watts and no it would not be “pandemonium” its MUCH more expensive and skill required to make an AM station work. Far from plug and play. 200-400% more expensive, skill required, takes more inside and outside. FM= Decade MS 100 $500 (or good transmitter), ground plane $89, Audio Processing (Stereo Tool can do that) and you’re set.
AM (To sound Album Rock quality requires: 1. C Quam AM Stereo transmitter ASMAX2 $270, ATU and antenna (home made) $89, MFJ antenna analyzer for measuring the quality of the antenna $200, Sean Cuthbert C-Quam AM Stereo Processor $275, SWR/Watt Meter (Cheap $30 professional for AM $100-200), Mast, 10 gauge ground lead, Ground Rod (8 FT), Land or permission to pound an 8 Ft rod on the ground (this part stops many right dead in their tracks). Power Supply for the ASMAS2 regulated to stop hum $40.
There is much more I’m sure I forgot but you can see the ddifference between AM and FM and by the requirement of C-Quam AM Stereo as a mandate to a new service for hobby broadcasting will quash any “pandemonium” for any adolescent individuals to go wild on air.
The Legacy is getting an EAS system thanks to my broadcast engineer friend!!
Many has stated that Hobby Broadcasting is a threat to public safety as stations do NOT have an EAS system. Not the case for The Legacy in the not so distant future. Deltaville, VA residence have had their lives jeopardized by the complete and utter failure of the comercial Radio stations to anounce there was a tornado in the area till we had one rip through 1/2 mile from Fishing Bay Road. But thanks to the weather app at the time some lives were saved when I announced over the air severe weather was in the area. So when I talked to my broadcast engineer friend about this he said “That is the next thing your station is getting is an EAS system as Deltaville, VA deserves this.
And by installing this system we are showing the FCC we are manning up the the responsibility as a broadcaster to serve the community during threatening situations occur to life and property damage (Part of the PICN requirement to broadcast).
The Legacy will be ready if and when LPAM ever becomes legal.
- January 7, 2019 at 5:32 am #108570
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Canada is almost like the USA and when the democrats get done screwing up our country when its said and done Canada WILL become our NEW government and BETS-1 power levels WILL be legal.
Puff and Pass.
- This reply was modified 1 week, 2 days ago by AMRadiolegend.
- January 6, 2019 at 12:09 pm #108556
There’s no evidence historically or otherwise that the FCC was ever against hobby broadcasting, on the contrary, if anything they’ve always applaud it. Sure there may one or two who have overzealously opposed it, but they are just people like any of us.
I’ve never heard it said that our stations were somehow a threat to public safety for not having an EAS system… whether we have one or not is no threat to anyone or anything, but certainly it would be a nice useful enhancements to our stations if we did . I vaguely recall something about some kind of makeshift EAS someone had cobbled together.. but can’t remember the details or who it was. Other than that I know of no one else who has one. It’s great that you’ll be incorporating and EAS into your station.
I know you are big proponent of the stereo AM transmitters.. but all I can think about when you talk about it is that nobody owns a stereo AM radio to receive it, nor have I ever even heard of any company that sells them.. I don’t doubt that such specialty item radios exist, but it certainly is a rarity to say the least. However I presume any AM radio could still receive your station, right?, they could still tune in mono with a standard AM radio, right?
Lastly, I don’t know what two-faced friend you’re talking about but I find it hard time thinking another hobby broadcaster would take action against your station, nor am I asking. Maybe it’s true, or maybe you just think it is. Whichever, good luck with your station ventures.
- January 6, 2019 at 12:34 pm #108557
Flinging Some Thoughts Around
I agree with Mark on this: “When I started the Rap discussions at least it got things going for a few days!”
I enjoyed the conversation about rap music and so far as I know our comments were not deleted.
Another comment Mark made: “Maybe the answer is more loyalty to one forum or the other?”
The “loyalty” I think you are talking about is “obedient conformity” and not the sort of liberty we enjoy here in North America (Canada and the U.S.). In fact it amounts to worshiping at the feet of a dictatorship, always agreeing with Mr. Important. It’s not worth bothering about.
And Mark one more time: “I’ve also never understood abandoning a forum due to the politics in the USA as a protest by an American or Canadian as what does a hobby radio forum have to do with it?”
I didn’t “abandon a forum” over a political disagreement, I merely made a silent protest by closing my own website’s free programming and other part 15 support but I continued being active on the forums.
However, I have been critical of these forums, yes “part15.us & ALPB”, for being too regressive in denying a platform for discussing matters of journalism and talking points in the news along with the other formats which are allowed, including endless going on about music. I was foolishly told that criticism is an ad hominem attack, showing lack of awareness about the actual definition of “ad hominem” and ignorance of critique as a scholarly professional field such as music critics, movie critics, newspaper critics, restaurant critics, television critics and book critics. For defending my position as I’ve just done I was accused of “twisting words.” There’s a distinction between preaching politics and simply sorting out certain news facts such as the ridiculous border wall or well witnessed antics of some political figures. In this regard I have been discriminated against and because I refuse to hide my dissatisfaction by confessing to the Contact Button while remaining publicly silent, there have been back-stage efforts to get me banned unless I am “obedient and conform”.
Much of what I have posted in the past, counting both forums, has been deleted without a proper hearing.
Policy on both forums has been controlled by the same few persons keeping the forums from being different from each other. In other words one of them is redundant and serves no purpose.
- January 6, 2019 at 12:38 pm #108558
“Canada is almost like the USA and when the democrats get done screwing up our country when its said and done Canada WILL become our NEW government and BETS-1 power levels WILL be legal”
Trying to get your meaning here. Seems you think Canada will be governing North America in the future? Your “new” government?
And yes the FCC isn’t about prohibiting hobby broadcasting as you found out with your dealings with the agents, in fact, they were very helpful and just cared about the interference issue and nothing more.
Happy to hear that if Canada was your new government you would have it better.
- January 6, 2019 at 12:59 pm #108559
I was pointing out that the more successful forums in terms of participation are the ones that have members that by their own free will stay with that one forum, like HB and Facebook. I don’t know that HB has a rule that anyone must bow down to him, I just made an observation, and suggested to look at that forum as an example as to why they are not as dead as it has been on these forums. A lot of the reason for little participation at least from my perspective in addition to my thoughts in my post is my lack of knowledge in a subject when it comes up so I have nothing to say.
- January 6, 2019 at 1:13 pm #108560
I missed the part about Canada might be taking over the US.. I thought it was China.
- January 6, 2019 at 2:24 pm #108561
We Are So Owned
We the peons are owned by the corporate billionaire 1%.
They will check your Christmas shopping to see if you spent enough.
If we don’t bring them a profit we become unnecessary.
- January 6, 2019 at 6:36 pm #108565
The Good Side of Being Wrong
The Legacy has cheered me up by spouting a point of view that is wrong on every count.
You’re ready for right-wing hate radio.
- January 6, 2019 at 10:27 pm #108568
I’ve always thought very highly of the concept of the ALPB. It was intended to be a truly democratic organization of low power radio broadcasters, unlike the other websites and/or Forums that were run by single or small numbers of individuals. The latter can sometimes be rather autocratic in nature, with decisions made solely on the personal opinions, biases and prejudices of the Moderators or Owners.
Unfortunately, democracies have their own issues; true equality and listening to each and every opinion, no matter what it is, how brilliant or silly it is, takes a great deal of time. As a result, things can run very slowly, and they did. I’m sure frustration was felt by many in the group.
The ALPB tried. It really did. At one point it even had a Forum section, Anything Goes, in which political and other similar discussion could be held. All that accomplished were a lot of hurt feelings and resentment.
A question was asked about the multiple ALPB Chairmen. The first left abruptly for his own reasons, closing down the website and Forum with no notice, and I was forced to take on the position (otherwise, the group would have folded – the situation was that serious). I had always intended my role to be temporary, or interim, until such time that the group could appoint a new Chairman under far less arduous circumstances.
After a great deal of work by a number of people, Jim Henry was elected to be the third Chairman, and I immediately also resigned as a Moderator – I wanted to allow him to appoint his own staff and give him a clean slate. However, shortly thereafter his health issues started, and his absence for a number of issues was notable (although thoroughly understandable in retrospect).
The lack of a recognizable and responsible leader ultimately led to a big blow up involving a number of ALPB staff, members and the former first Chairman – I won’t go into the details here. Many people left the group, including myself.
The ALPB now appears to have gone back to its very beginnings, with a handful of members and being run by the former first Chairman. I wish them the best.
- January 7, 2019 at 5:20 am #108569
I agree the concept itself was great but it never really went the direction it was supposed to. I think the “Anything Goes” section was created primarily to get the political talk out of the rest of it’s forums because at the time they were becoming oversaturated with it, and the creation of the Anything board helped to get the rest of its forum back on track with a radio related direction.
Sometimes I think I must be in the minority by having little interest in discussing or reading about topics engulfed with political issues.
- January 7, 2019 at 6:46 am #108572
Uneven Playing Field
Artisan’s brief history of the ALPB is well said and I can only add a few details.
Having been a member of the ALPB for 6 years there were two things that remained constant:
Only a small group attended the TeamSpeak Meetings, although the meetings often fulfilled the original idea… we all pitched in to help each other solve problems with radio technology and computers… I got invaluable tips from generous members who knew what they were talking about.
But most forum members were not inclined to attend meetings. The numbers never grew in all those years.
A larger problem was the disinclination of members to take a leadership position. When the chairmanship, the top job, went unfilled, no one was there to step in. Jim Henry only rose to the occasion when it became clear that no one else would do it. It’s very sad he was unable to carry forward.
My views on the “Anything Goes” thread are different from Rich Powers, I don’t see it as separating non-radio issues because world affairs and radio both exist in the same world and are connected to each other.
News-talk radio deals first hand with the issues of the day and it’s as much a radio topic as wire or music. Difficulties arise when misinformed and thoughtless positions are injected by platitudes, slogans and falsehoods instead of solid facts, but policy should not be set based on the least educated, although moderators are not there to be referees for conflicts, so the easy way out was to close “Anything Goes”. The problem stems from bad educations and mentally lazy citizens who never advance beyond grade school yet become inspired by absurd characters in comic books, movies, and the White House. Dealing with it is a chronic problem for forum administrators.
- January 7, 2019 at 6:51 am #108573
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Carl: You forgot to mention Congress.
- January 7, 2019 at 8:22 am #108574
Let Me Mention It Now
Response to what AM Radio Legend Said: “Carl: You forgot to mention Congress.”
The expression “pro and con” means progress or congress.
- January 7, 2019 at 8:35 am #108575
“My views on the “Anything Goes” thread are different from Rich Powers, I don’t see it as separating non-radio issues because world affairs and radio both exist in the same world and are connected to each other.”
Perhaps Carl, but I don’t think it had anything whatsoever to do with the ALPB original mission, which if I recall correctly was most specifically to teach, promote and assist in all aspects of radio production and implementation and the like (or something along those lines). I don’t see how politics should have been rearing it’s head on any of that.
As for Teamspeak meetings, I tend to think the biggest problem with it was it required a specific time on specific dates to participate, which obviously means it would have to correspond with the time schedules of everyday life of the whoever might like to participate.. I recall most of the meetings times just didn’t jive with my own work schedule, and perhaps it was the same situation with others.
Forum discussions are simple, you can participate at any hour or day, not so with something like Teamspeak meetings.
- January 7, 2019 at 10:32 am #108580
I attempted to stick to the facts re the ALPB, talking about motivation (mine only) when I was directly involved.
As to the Anything Goes ALPB Forum section, things evolve. I believe that both Carl and Rich are partially correct in describing the motivations behind its inception. I also know that it was created (I had a hand in that creation) to further the openness of the ALPB, and to make it different than the other options that were then available. It wasn’t meant to be solely about politics, but, in fact, could be about anything (hence the name) that was FACT BASED. The intentions were certainly honorable (if naive).
Unfortunately, what ended up happening in actuality was that the Moderators spent an inordinate amount of time (and agonizing) over some of the posts that appeared in the section. I learned that behind some pretty nice exteriors lay some pretty ugly BELIEFS – religious intolerance, racism, sexism and virtually any kind of ‘ism you can think of. Dealing with posts espousing those beliefs (rather than facts), though they were explicitly forbidden, was not what I had signed up for.
Call it a learning experience. I do.
- This reply was modified 1 week, 2 days ago by ArtisanRadio.
- January 7, 2019 at 10:46 am #108582
Well, I’m sure there must be plenty of forums for those type of topics. The argument that radio broadcasting and those topics are related because both venues exist in the same world is a lame excuse. (sorry Carl).
- January 7, 2019 at 11:06 am #108583
I agree with Rich that one of the issues with Teamspeak meetings is scheduling.
Another is that such meetings artificially limit the workable size of the group. Studies have shown that the most effective type of meetings consist of up to 5 (maybe 6) participants. Larger, and you spend more time on basic communication between members than getting anything done (including making decisions). I certainly saw that when the ALPB meeting sizes exceeded these optimal levels (and sometimes even when they didn’t).
That was one of the reasons behind the attempt to push the use the ALPB Forum for business while I was (interim) Chairman. It resolves the scheduling issue, produces a written record of discussion, and generally allows more members to participate in decision making activities. It isn’t perfect, but then, nothing really is. Even highly successful organizations usually have difficulty in solving the problem of organization and communication – the solutions usually boil down to having the right people in the right places at the right time.
As for overall participation in this Forum, I’ve found that these things tend to go in cycles. There was a time a few years ago when virtually no one was posting here for many months, and that then morphed in a period of activity that I’ve seen unmatched, as new people, with new questions, and new enthusiasm, came in.
Personally, I’ve spent little time with my Part 15 station over the past year or so, mainly due to life. The best you can say is that I’ve kept it going, primarily for my own listening pleasure.
I intend to do more in the coming year (one of my New Year resolutions). I’ve a couple of opportunities to extend my potential listeners to City Hall, the Recreation Center and a few other venues that are literally across the street where I currently live. I will be expanding my programming to a mixture of public domain Jazz, Classical and Old Time Radio, along with (hopefully) some civic PSA’s (which I’d like to morph into more dedicated community-based programming).
I’ll probably be spending less time here, as I do more elsewhere, and when I do post it will be around content. I personally have little current interest in debating range, ground leads, whether something is legal or not, etc., when it’s all been done so many times previously. With a little effort and research, all the answers are readily available, here and elsewhere.
Maybe it’s just the current political climate in the U.S., but I find myself spending less and less time caring about what others (including other radio sites) are talking about. I can’t control what happens elsewhere, but what I can control is my own work, and my own words.
And that’s what I intend on doing.
- January 7, 2019 at 3:31 pm #108584
Engineers Not Allowed in the Carpeted Section of the Building
That’s an actual rule that existed at a TV station I worked for. The carpeted section belonged to the executives and sales force.
Rich Powers has a charming way of blocking an obvious point: “The argument that radio broadcasting and those topics are related because both venues exist in the same world is a lame excuse. (sorry Carl).”
We talk about programming.
My station programs news-talk. Therefore I should logically talk about news and talk subjects the same way music stations go on and on about music, which gets lame.
- January 7, 2019 at 3:35 pm #108585
Hmmm.. well music station posters don’t sing the actual songs
- January 7, 2019 at 3:40 pm #108586
Ok, you can talk about Trump or something if you give me a link (yet again) to LPH
- January 7, 2019 at 6:30 pm #108592
Link Step One
A strange thing has happened several times today. I’ve written responses to postings only to find later on that my responses are missing!
Just an hour ago I wrote that Rich Powers has offered a nice “save-face” chance for me to avoid further criticism if I supply a link to the Low Power Hour, which I agreed to do.
Let’s get started. The following link gets you into the Main Vestibule at the Internet Building, where as of the moment The Blare Blog and Low Power Radio Resources are open.
As soon as I figure out the secret combination I’ll open the Low Power Hour.
- January 7, 2019 at 11:19 pm #108593
Already been there..
- January 8, 2019 at 1:54 pm #108610
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“By allowing Hobby Broadcasting on AM call it BETS-1, Part 15, Ga Ga Goo Goo or whatever it promotes the experimenting and education of Radio and keeps the spirit alive.”
Legs, AM radio has been around for more than a century. What more “experimentation” is there left to be done, other than all-digital testing (which is now going on Frederick MD on WFMD)?
The FCC would only make changes to a broadcast service such as the medium wave AM band, only if they saw a legitimate benefit to the service. What is being gained here that would sway them?
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