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I discovered this the other day on the internet. “Then again, there was that kid operated FM in Florida that was pushing well past 250µV.m @ 3 meters and the inspector let them get away with it.”
You can listen to the Tampa Enforcement Chief here:http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/45285
He was guest and while there the FCC measured the station and the students (children) tweaked it for compliance. Noboby was allowed to get away with anything. This kind of bad and untrue info makes me very angry.
The kid(s) site: http://www.wkid967fm.com/
WA4JM going QRT (for now)
Total posts : 45366Thanks I saw that probably from the same source where this untrue statement was made and I tried to Google it. Notice this poster didn’t give any reference to his rants. Again some help the hobby, and others hurt it by making false representation.
Total posts : 45366A few observations after fully listening to that mp3 of the agents interview. those kids had a good station but going after people full throttle for a fraction of a Watt is crazy. Some folks act like this is a video game like Second Life. But we are Real people and we don’t get to press the reset button.
Total posts : 45366The agent was the district chief of the Tampa Enforcement Division, Ralph Barlow. This is the same guy that shut down the Party Pirate and others. He is not some flunky agent as implied by the unfortunate comments of the “expert.” Also, he failed to mention that the 25 mW was tweaked downward for compliance. So I rate his most recent coments as “Pants on Fire!” LOL!
Total posts : 45366There is a lot of misinformation flying around.
Based on some of Rich’s analysis for legal Part 15 FM signals, it IS possible to get 1/8 mile (sounds like a lot, but it’s really only 650 feet or so) if your antenna is up high (10 meters) and you’re listening in on a car radio. That 200 feet often cited is only a guideline, using typical radios and a typical (read lower) installation. I guess mathematics and physics are just not common sense.
The other thing is that there is NO gray area for a legally compliant Part 15 FM signal at campus boundaries. The rules are that your field strength has to be a maximum of 250uv/m at 3 meters from your transmitting antenna. Period. There is a campus boundary rule for AM, but not FM.
All that being said, it is up to the discretion of a field agent to pass or fail ANY Part 15 installation.
Total posts : 45366Field agents are the gray area.
Total posts : 45366Seems to me someone has their panties in an uproar elsewhere!!
Why is it people think they can use the web to accuse other people of things, but if you say anything about them, they feel it is wrong?
I like how any reference to me elsewhere is that I AM GUILTY OF OPRERATING AN ILLEGAL PIRATE RADIO STATION. They have photos of my house, my facebook pages ect. but nothing proves I operated any damned illegal transmitter!! Did you FCC wannabes come into my home and catch me red handed with an illegal transmitter? Did you physically see this illegal transmitter in my house with your own eyes? Screw pictures you claim someone gave you, did you see that over powered transmitter in my house in person and did you hold it in your own hands??????
I am tired of people thinking they are the world’s personal FCC office. Playing snitches when they wrongfully think they have a right to publically accuse people of things they really NEVER DID IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
You CAN NOT CONVICT ON SPECULATION, SO PLEASE STOP SAYING YOU SHUT DOWN A PIRATE IN NORWICH CONNECTICUT!!! And that you have proof that I personally operated an illegal pirate station in Norwich Connecticiut on your web site. Because your technical information is totally flawed, stop calling my outdoor scanner antenna a DOMINATOR for God’s sake aready!! No engineer with a half a brain is going to mistake a radio shack scanner antenna for a dominator, it looks nothing like such.
If your webterns want to spy and publish false information or use the site to cast false accusations, perhaps your webterns and YOU should be seen in a civil ‘cease and desist’ case! Owning a forum board gives you no rights to publish other people’s property, harass, name call or falsely accuse others, so stop it or face the consequenses!
Now go talk about this too on your ‘child’s toy’ web site.
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366Getting back to the technical side of the conversation. the agent granted WKID 1 mile to a car radio. Now I will take that to mean one mile. Doesn’t matter if it’s an outdoor comet antenna and a 25 milliwatt Transmitter or a 310 milliwatt Transmitter connected to a 5 foot piece of wire and transmitting one mile. Yes the written rule is 250 microvolts per meter at 3 meters but this recent Tampa Florida decision may overturn the old rule meaning we may be on the path to getting our own wayFM increase without any form of an FM initiative 😉 think about that. Follow recent court decisions whereas lawyers will prove their case on the most recent passed case they can find. How many times do I have to repeat myself Prometheus Prometheus Prometheus Prometheus prometheus I should write a whole paragraph saying nothing but prometheus that would get my point across.
Total posts : 45366Thelegacy, where did that come from?
According to John, the transmitters there were ‘tweaked for compliance’. I have found no reference on the web other than hearsay that they were allowed a mile range from the FCC. And certainly not something that can be called a ‘decision’.
From what I can gather, WKID is now known primarily as an Internet Radio station, and get all of their listeners from that source.
I can’t imagine that any field agent, never mind Barlow, would allow these kids to get away with running a non compliant transmitter and getting a mile range. That would be opening the doors, as you point out, to allowing others to follow suit.
Given that recently NOUO’s have been handed out for unlicensed FM stations operating with a field strength of well under 1000uv/m at 3 meters (and to achieve 1 mile range your field strength has to be considerably more than that), I wouldn’t hold my breath that the FCC is going to change anything. Unless, of course, they’re given some compelling reasons for doing so.
Total posts : 45366The problem is those who claim to know what the hell they are talking about, really don’t know what they are talking about.
Makes me laugh how people sit there and type foolish crap like saying “I’m glad I’m over here where I am being taught to be a legal law abiding part 15 citizen… blah…blah..blah.” However, You’re a blatant law breaker when you do not kiss the fat man’s arse!!! That’s the truth!
I am tired of the bashing that people have to endure if you’re not that arse kisser. I know what I did and didn’t do and I don’t need anyone else saying otherwise. That goes for a lot of other people’s situations as well.
People have to be held responsible for their words as well, not just for what they supposedly ran for an illegal transmitter, it goes both ways! You do not drag people’s names in the mud over speculation or hear-say.
You also do not run around town taking pictures of people’s homes and publishing them on the web labeling them as pirates and law breakers unless your bank account can sustain a very large law-suit. The finger pointing has to stop period!
What the hell am I talking about? Read the topic title, that’s what I am talking about.
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366MrBruce: If you are sure of the accuracy of your statements about accusations against you as being false, then have you considered legal remedies — rather than repeatedly posting your beliefs about them and their source(s) here, or on any other website?
Total posts : 45366Rich Said:
MrBruce: If you are sure of the accuracy of your statements about accusations against you as being false, then have you considered legal remedies — rather than repeatedly posting your beliefs about them and their source(s) here, or on any other website?
MrBruce Said: Sure, but a civil court case is not going to be on public television where all those people who have been brainwashed into believing I commited the crime can see the true facts and make the ring leader look like the fool they really are.
I have no voice over there, it is sad when people can drag your name in the mud make you look like an ass to their followers and you can not defend yourself in view of the audience who does not even know you, but now has a negative opinion of you that you do not deserve or earned.
Calling ME a pirate when no transmitter was operating from my home is dead wrong, Internet broadcasting, which is what I was responsible for is not being a pirate. Some people seem to be stuck thinking otherwise. Maybe perhaps someone unknown to me was rebroadcasting my feed at an illegal power output, but being that I am their only suspect, they already have their minds made up it was me and only me.
The supposed licensed station that claims interference was being caused to them could have called the station phone number and address the problem to me, it would have been a welcomed way of handeling it. Not sitting outside my home spying on me like a stalker taking pictures of television antennas and a scanner antenna on my roof labling my home a pirate’s den.
I never used an outdoor antenna with my Ramsey FM100 even when I did use it. That scanner antenna was hooked up to a Realistic Pro-2006 400 channel scanner.
I would prefer a larger class action suit involving all of those who were also slandered by the ring leader.
Bruce.
Total posts : 45366…I would prefer a larger class action suit involving all of those who were also slandered by the ring leader.
Why would you not proceed with it, then?
Total posts : 45366from long life experience,,,
karma is a b*tch, he will get his in the end eventually without any of us needing to lift a finger.
people like that are their own worst enemy!!!
Total posts : 45366Well, while the preacher ‘may’ and I mean ‘may’ be a 100% law abiding citizen when it comes to part 15 radio, he totally fails to follow the other 1000 some odd laws written into the law books of this nation.
If you are capable of stalking, stealing, harassing, among a bunch of other things, whose to say that person is even honest at all?
I am sorry, but this kettle likes to call the other pots black. This person is guilty of doing ‘other’ things that are totally against the law and then covers it up by sounding innocent saying “I was answering or addressing questions or concerns that were addressed to me, I have that right to do so.” But then takes it upon themselves to add their own personal attack and name calling in the process.
The police can not prosecute a case without evidence, the courts can not get a conviction without evidence and a case where without a shadow of a doubt, they can convice a jury the suspect is guilty.
Here-say, statements from people who know very little about transmitters, photos that can be edited with photoshop are not submissible evidence. I read what points were used and lets be clear, what people bought and announce on the web does not mean they really bought that item. Without physical proof, saying someone has something is nothing but speculation.
People like to brag, people say one thing and change their minds, nothing proves, without physical evidence that anyone owns anything and owning does not prove guilt either, when it comes to high powered pirate stations, until you have that device in your eye sight transmitting at the assumed power output, using a qualified meter, it is purley speculation and hear-say.
Anyone can spoof a video or photos or plant false evidence to try and falsely incriminate someone else they don’t like. Even corrupt police proceedures have been known to plant false evidence to get an easy conviction.
I can sit here and say I own an mercedes benz or half of Long Island, but does that really mean that I do? How do you know? Point is, someone is good at using other people’s words against them in an incriminating manor, when they have no physical proof of such and then they feel justified for doing so, by using lame excuses.
Thier very own manorism and terrorist attitude is what will get them in the hot water above their head. Some people can break the law defending the law and this is certainly the case here, but doesn’t that mean that you are also guilty of breaking the law? I think so.
There are many out there who feel the same way, just look around the other forums and social web sites and the proof is there.
Bruce.
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