thats it, lost my fm completely

Feel bad for you...that sucks

Hard to believe every frequency from 88 to 108 is occupied. No where to fit in even ajacent to something else.

Well, if you need a revising of station ID's let me know...

Mark

till i move somewhere and can get another FM frequency, i'm still using the 1630AM

the AM's and Godcasters gobbled up everything. K-Love has KLDV 91.1 in lakewood, yet they grabbed a 90.7 in golden for example to transmit the exact same programming as KLDV and KLDV puts out a good signal where they have this translator. it is pure waste of spectrum. and K-love isn't the only offender doing this. most of the big broadcasters commercial and noncomm have done this all over denver.

I really have to wonder what the FCC intends to do about this situation for the long haul.

Now that they have allowed AM stations a place on the FM dial, what do they have planned for the next 10 years or so?

People say with the moving of television stations to VHF LOW, there is no hope for FM broadcasting to co-exist with it and the greedy ham operators expect the FCC to give them more spectrum in the 46 to 50 MHz spetrum instead of it being re-allocated to FM broadcasting.

Now, I expect to be attacked by making that statement above from licensed ham operators, but come on, ham radio although very useful during emergency situations, has enough spectrum for common everyday communications as it already is.

When the FCC authorized radio services back in the day, it is obvious, they did not think very far into the possible future of communications usage.

Each month that goes by, they insist on making a bigger mess of things with total dis-regard for the final outcome.

Once the public FM broadcast band between 88.1MHz to 107.9MHz is full and non-listenable, what do they intend to do to fix that screw up? Move everyone back to 560Hz to 1700KHz?

I really wish those idiots would tell us what their full intentions are. After all, the population is growing not declining, the number of people using electronic technology is growing and eventually we are going to exhast our resurces or other means are going to have to be discovered for this non-stopping need for resources.

We here, can discover new ideas, but they will only fall on deaf ears when it comes to the FCC listening to them.

Truth is, it is no longer the so-called PIRATES that are making a mess of things, it is the LEGAL, LICENSED radio station owners and the FCC that is making a total mess of our broadcast spectrum, but you know and I know, that the broadcasters and the NAB and the FCC will blame the unlicensed home brew broadcaters who only want to entertain their communities with content they want to hear for the problems and interference issues.

Sadly, it is us micro broadcasters that will endure the blame, not those who are really responsible, the ones who should know better!

Bruce.

"...and the greedy ham operators expect the FCC to give them more spectrum in the 46 to 50 MHz spetrum instead of it being re-allocated to FM broadcasting."

Where did you pull this up?

Good Point Bruce. But all of this talk about the bad things the FCC is doing really belongs on the New Radio Revolution's site titled The Initiative http://the-initiative.boards.net as the object is to petition the FCC for not only more power on FM but to INCREASE THE BAND to what Japan has 76-108 Mhz and leaving at least 87.7-87.9 for Hobby Broadcasting @ 1 Watt to the Antenna of the transmitter.

I've seen people start to realize Oh Oh part 15 is in trouble. Knock Knock on the top of your head went Biff screaming “Hellow Mcfly Anyone Home? This is what The New Radio Revolution was striding for since June 5^th 2015". And still people come here to this site which is NOT an activist site to preach to the choir. Does any of you see how unproductive this is? As far as Ham Radio I don't see why the FCC should give them one Khz more than they have. Already they have wasted the 220 Mhz band with little to NO ACTIVITY. TV could have been put there and then FM could have been opened from 76-108 Mhz.

As far as AM us hobbyists are looking for 10 Watts on AM. Either that or eliminating 15:219 and allowing straight 100 mW to an antenna and ground at any length from 1600-1710 Khz.

So you have two choices: Watch your precious part 15 hobby broadcasting die or the latter and JOIN THE NEW RADIO REVOLUTION and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!

Hope to see some of you there and see participation in a sensible reliable iron clad petition that will stick. If you have to get the public to step in too and state what they want. One clue is to get people with a sensible head/ear for music. People who won't stand for non talented ear pollution on the airwaves and will stop at nothing for a change.

Good Luck.

Good God John wdcx you proved me right. Please read my quote below:

MrBruce Said:

People say with the moving of television stations to VHF LOW, there is no hope for FM broadcasting to co-exist with it and the greedy ham operators expect the FCC to give them more spectrum in the 46 to 50 MHz spetrum instead of it being re-allocated to FM broadcasting.

Now, I expect to be attacked by making that statement above from licensed ham operators, but come on, ham radio although very useful during emergency situations, has enough spectrum for common everyday communications as it already is.

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Now my new post.

John wdcx you were quick to defend HAM radio, quicker then I expected, although, yes I was expecting it.

Let me ask you John, wdcx, What do you think should be done with that piece of spectrum and answer me honestly. I have seen it quoted on too many sites to count and too many threads to reference here, where every discussion regarding the repacking of UHF based television stations on VHF LOW, or that part 15 should be allocated to frequencies below 88.1MHz and into the old cordless phone frequencies, that if anything, HAM radio should have priority over that spectrum and why. Meaning, for clarity, that every discussion made regarding the future of the former cordless phone frequencies is that it should be allocated to amatur radio, not FM and certainly NOT part 15!!! Yes those who say that that spectrum should be given to amatur radio, hold ham tickets.

Look at the USA Citizens Band radio service 26.965MHz to 27.405MHz, it was given 40 channels and it stayed at 40 channels since the late 1970's. It was never expanded.

Ham radio has numorous amatur bands across the spectrum, that are workable during different stages of the Earth's day/night cycle. Although HAM radio has been used during natural disasters, why should more spectrum be asigned to an already useable communications?

2 meters allows repeaters to expand the HF band possiblities, 10 meters is workable skip communications, 6 meters is another skipable comminications, when the FM broadcast band is wedged in-between television, aviation and public service bands, there is not room for any type of expansion, except for the spectrum below television channel 2 to which it's band spread is 54MHz to 60MHz. Channel 2's VIDEO carrier is on 55.25 Mhz.

Take my word for it, the consensus among HAM radio operators is that instead of wasting that spectrum below 50MHz on commercial FM radio broadcasting, it should be re-assigned to amatur radio where it would be put to better use.

Bruce.

I no of no plan from ARRL or anyone else asking for that part of the spectrum for amateur radio use.  Pure nonsense.

Troy, I posted here because this topic is here, not on your forum board.

It can't be helped that dicussions about the FCC's biggest mistakes are discussed on sites other than your's.

People know about your site, but they choose to post elsewhere to reach a bigger audience. Which is badly needed.

Bruce.

Troy?  I am John.

wdcx Said:

You missed my point?

I no of no plan from ARRL or anyone else asking for that part of the spectrum for amateur radio use.  Pure nonsense.

MrBruce Said:

John, no one said my information was published by the ARRL, I said quote:

Ham operators on various form boards have said, if anything, 46MHz to 50Mhz should be allocated to amatur radio, not part 15 and not an expanded FM broadcast band. I never said it was official news published by the ARRL. Stop putting words in my mouth, you can defend amatur radio, but don't put words in my mouth I did not mean or quote.

If I had said the ARRL said blah...blah...blah then fine, I quoted a lie or misinformation the ARRL never put on record as saying.

You, never answered my question.

What do you think should be done with that piece of spectrum?

As for other responses, yes, across the forum boards, people have stated, that spectrum should be given to amatur radio.

I say, enough is enough, amatur radio already has enough spectrum and does not need any more.

Our television and FM broadcast bands are a mess and needs fixing in the public interest, there is only one direction to go without interfering with the Aviation radio band. That is DOWNWARD!

Bruce.

From Mr Bruce: "Look at the USA Citizens Band radio service 26.965MHz to 27.405MHz, it was given 40 channels and it stayed at 40 channels since the late 1970's. It was never expanded."

Wha...?...

CB started out as 23 channels and was expanded to 40 in the '70s due to demand. Not sure what you mean here, nor why.

Hey John I think you have Elite Access over there at The-Initiative which is the New Radio Revolution's site.

Bruce: I realize why people want to post here about this stuff, but what I'm saying is that why not do something to change what we're upset about?  It just keeps repeating itself and not ut I'll chip in here with this: I think the FCC is GOING to expand FM for commercial and hobby broadcasting.  They just have not said it in order to not cause chaos.  I think it will be passed in the dead of night like the RIAA did with Internet Radio.  You'll wake up after Christmas and 76-108 Mhz will be the New FM band and it will be mandatory for all NEW receivers made after Jan 1 1917 to cover the new band.

Now when this happons you'll hear Hobby Broadcasters (So Called Pirates) fire up their 1 Watt FM Transmitters on the new frequencies to be the first man on he block on them.  I can tell you that 87.7 will be the FIRST one they will choose.

We'll see if this comes tue, but I think it will.

Darsen the Third Said:

Wha...?...

CB started out as 23 channels and was expanded to 40 in the '70s due to demand. Not sure what you mean here, nor why.

MrBruce Said:

You are correct, but my point was that when CB was expanded to 40 channels in the late 1970's, it never was legally expanded since then. Yes there is the FREE BAND above channel 40 and below channel 1, but legally, 26.965MHz to 27.405MHz is the only spectrum the FCC authorizes for unlicensed Citizens Band Radio.

Bruce.

Man some of you folks make some wild assumptions.

WHY would they ever even WANT to expand CB? If anything they could drop it back to the original 23 channels and  be totally fine.

In regards to 46 mhz, worthless spectrum for broadcast. Not to mention the length of antenna needed that no car would have. Low Band is being largely abandoned by most of its users thanks to the increased noise floor and electrical interference. Hell VHF as a whole is being abandonded by public safety and the two-way world. So yeah, give it to the hams. Also, guess what... THERE IS PART 15 ON 46MHZ. A heck of a punch is allowed too. This all ignoring the tons of RC toys, baby monitors, and remaining phones running at 46mhz.

Also FWIW, there is no such thing as "Free Band" all the spectrum is allocated to some service or another. Excluding anything under 3khz.