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 MICRO1700
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So in the stuff called life, I lost

my wallet.  I lose things all the time.

So I tried to make a tracking transmitter

with things that I have sitting around here

because there is zero dollars.

I have a weather station transmitter that sends

out a digital pulse once a minute on 434.92 Mhz.

It has some things going for it.  It runs for more

than a year without running down the 2 AAA batteries

that are in it.  I can hear the pulse on in ICOM IC-R2

pocket sized scanner/receiver.  But the pulse is very brief.

I can live with that.  But the signal is digital and is spread

out over a MHz or so.  Really really hard to track.  Still fun

to experiment with.  At least the batteries don't run down

for a long time.

So I looked around the junk pile that I still have here -

and found a 49 MHz walkie talkie.  I put a rechargable

"9 volt" battery on it, took the mic/speaker off, and shorted

the transmit switch and shorted the switch that makes an

audio tone.  This was really good.  With a 2 inch antenna

on it - it went about 10 or 20 feet.  Perfect in a house. 

You just walk around until you hear it, and when the signal

strength indicator gets up to pin, you have it.  It's about

the size of a pack of cigarettes, but that doesn't matter.

BUT, the thing only runs for about 10 hours.

So - what I was thinking - was - find the minimum voltage

the thing runs on - and it won't be drawing much current -

hopefully.  Then try that and see how long it goes.

If that works, make a battery pack with MORE voltage,

and put it on a circuit like a regulator or something and

it will run longer (will it?) as the battery voltage slowly

drops down from the max value to the minumum operating

voltage value.  Maybe it will go a week or so, which I

can live with.  Maybe it will go longer.  Who knows?

So if you guys have any ideas about this or any other

ideas let me know.

This is for a purpose, but it's for fun, too.

By the way - I found my wallet - but only

after I had replaced most of the stuff in it.

Bruce

 

 


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 12:54 pm
 Anonymous
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But Bruce, even if you have sophisticated tracking equipment, you will be looking around asking everyone, "Have you seen my sophisticated tracking equipment?"

You will be alright as long as it isn't you who gets lost.

We have a man in the lost and found department here at the Internet Building answering to the name of Bruce.


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 1:40 pm
 Anonymous
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And yes.  I need a tracking transmitter to

find the receiver that is tuned into the original

tracking transmitter.

Yeah, it's really that bad. 

Anyhow, I'm gong to be messing

around with the experiment. 

But first you have to show me how

to walk all the way home from the

Internet Building.  I'll need a big map.

Bruce


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 2:07 pm
 Anonymous
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The map has been lost but we're tracking it now.


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 3:29 pm
 Anonymous
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So I took the 49.83 MHz rig

and put a 12 volt (8 AAs) pack

on it. 

We'll see how long that goes.

It's transmitting an audio tone.

Again, I find this to be fun.

Where is my wallet now?

Oh yeah, I haven't bought a

new wallet yet.

Bruce


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 4:02 pm
 Anonymous
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So as I walk back to Hartford, CT

from the St. Louis area - I will drag

a big tarp behind me that is the

color orange.

Carl, maybe you can tune in a

weather satellite or something

and see me.

Meanwhile the 49 MHz rig continues

to run.  I started it at 6:13 PM local

EST Hartford, CT time (12/5/14.)  When will it

stop going?  Any guesses?

I don't know what current it's

drawing.  If I can find an ammeter

around here, I can do the calculations.

Bruce


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 4:10 pm
 Anonymous
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So that's what happening

right now with 8 used AA

batteries running into this

49.83 MHz "tracking transmitter."

The batteries aren't new, so I can't

make any precise calculations for

how long they will last yet.  I also

don't know how low the voltage goes

until the transmitter stops working.

But that's part of the fun.

This is the kind of stuff I used to do

when I was a kid.  (If I had a variable

power supply it would be easier, but

mine quit a while back.)

Bruce


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 5:12 pm
 Anonymous
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The war criminals in office place tracking transmitters underneath people's cars next to the exhaust pipe... it's been reported in news articles.

How do those transmitters work? Do they put out a beep like in the movies?

Who are the engineers who do that kind of work? Do they have any friends or social life?

There are peacetime uses of tracking technology... like tracking wolves in the wild to see where they go.

Birds and marine animals are tracked.

My trackers hate me because I never go anywhere.


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 5:55 pm
 Anonymous
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Actually I don't think

anyone is tracking me.  There is

nothing to know.

So, just because I was bored (again)

I took most of the batteries out of the

holders and brought the voltage down

from 12 down to 4.5 volts.  After reducing

the voltage this much, the transmitter still works,

but wants to draw 20 mA.  That's too much.  There

is an LED running on the board.  I might pull

it off and see if the current drain goes down a

little bit more.  It should, of course.

If the AA batteries are say, 2000 mA/hr, they

would be good for 100 hours - or 4 days.

I wonder if I'm not right.  In any case the

"around 4 days" figure is not long enough.

Oh well, it's all good cause it's just fun.

Bruce

 


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 8:13 pm
 Anonymous
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Years ago I received as a gift a thing called a key finder. It was a small fob which attached to a key ring. Clapping your hands four times triggered a beeper in the fob with the idea being that you could follow the sound to your "lost" keys. It worked as intended but I quit using it because I almost never misplaced my keys (or other things for that matter.) Guess I am just lucky in this regard.

Neil


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 9:28 pm
 Anonymous
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Do a Google search on tracker transmitters. There's a bunch of cheap ones available and a bunch of circuits. They mostly seem to consist of a one transistor oscillator/transmitter operating in the FM band and a circuit with a couple transistors or a 555 timer to turn the oscillator on for a short duty cycle, like .2 second every 1 second. The low average duty cycle results in very low battery drain. You home in on it with a portable FM radio. Start with the antenna fully extended and shorten it as you get closer. A signal strength meter on the receiver would help. Orient the antenna around in different directions to help with locating. Homing is crude, but should get you to a room. With a 100mW oscillator/transmitter power level and a short antenna, it should give you at least a few hundred ft. range, maybe a lot farther..


 
Posted : 05/12/2014 10:23 pm
 Anonymous
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The keyring beeper described by Neil sounds useful, but it would need to be put on the keyring BEFORE losing the keys.

Another thing, at a symphony concert the audience applause would turn it on and you'd be sitting there beeping during Ravel.


 
Posted : 06/12/2014 5:08 am
 Anonymous
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I'm really having fun with this

and, yup, it is Part 15.

I've got a 555 and some other

stuff sitting around here.  I'll

see what I can do.

We had one of those things where

you clap your hands and the device

lets out a couple of beeps or whatever.

I don't know where it is -  it would be

fun to experiment with.

The "wrong noise" is a problem.  We

had

one of those "Clappers" to turn off the

TV in the bedroom at night.  I would

sneeze and the TV would come back on.

Holst's "The Planets," especially "Mars"

would mess it up real good.

Bruce


 
Posted : 06/12/2014 8:45 am
 Anonymous
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Especially Mars.


 
Posted : 06/12/2014 10:14 am
 Anonymous
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Slope detection first:

So I put this ICOM IC-R2 handheld

scanner in to the AM mode and slope

detected the signal.  Turns out I got

audio at 49.40.  Makes sense.  It's much

easier to home in on the transmitter this

way.  AM receive instead of FM receive.

About Mars:

I guess this should be in the "Rocket Talk"

thread we had a while ago. 

All these rockets on thie news.

Yesterday they launch tested that

new Orion capsule.  An unmanned test

of a 4 man space capsule.  Completely

successful test.  NASA says it's for the

eventual manned MARS mission. 

By the time we are really going to MARS

(20 or 30 years from now - it's a lot harder

than people think)

the technology will be completely different.

They are working on space hibernation - sort of

- I think.  I don't want to use the phrase

"suspended animation."  It remindes me too

much of "LOST IN SPACE."

Bruce


 
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