Hi to everyone
I bought one of the Ramsey FM100B which states it good from 5microwatts to
25mw. Anyways it leaves out the final transistor that would deliver 1 watt to the output.
Here my question.
U6 is the driver amp.
U6 GAL5 has a .001uf capacitor going to the base of the final transistor MRF557
which is Q6.
The ouput of Q6 goes to your PI filter output network.
Ok Ramsey leaves out U6. This leaves the signal coming out of U6 the driver
chip still going to the base of a transistor Q6 that no longer in the circuit.
the lowpass filter is still hook to the collector of the Q6 transistor.
With this transistor out of the circuit how does the output of U6 get to
the ouput without the final transistor no longer in the circuit ??
I see nothing in the book to jump the output of U6 chip to the output
of the transmitter.
This leaves all the RF signal coming out of U6 on the base of a transistor
that not legally allowed to be on a Part 15 transmitter.
Rmember Ramsey make the FM100B for US opperation and another
uppgraded model with the 1 watt output which has this Q6 transistor in it.
They use the same circuit board for both transmitters.
Anyways are you suppose to jump the output of U6 to the final
PI network. I cannot find anything in the book that say to do this.
Thanks
SKW40
A web search will yield the assembly manual for this but you probably already have it. A look at the PCB parts layout drawing on page 35 shows that the base and collector of Q6 are connected by the copper trace which runs under the body of Q6 which may need to be cut if Q6 is installed. It is a bit hard to see since there is a black mark on the drawing at this point but it looks like the C65-L6 junction is connected to HS1. You can check for continuity with an ohmmeter.
Probably the best way to get an answer would be to call Ramsey Tech Support and ask them.
Neil
What Radio8Z wrote sounds to me like the right answer to the question and explains how the output of the 100B is wired.
And I would expect that if you attach your antenna and get a signal at the expected distance, it also proves that the output is functioning properly because the antenna will only work if RF is present at the output.
Hi Radio8Z and Carl
I found the jumper on the circuit board and it did ohm out. Now another question
and you guys know I mainly do AM transmitions over the years and I thought
that playing around with the FM might be fun. This transmitter claims to go down
to 5 microwatts to 25mw.
What is the best way of measuring the 250uV at 3 meters ?
Or some trick I can use to be close to that output ?
Finding a field strength meter that can measure that low of a signal at 3 meter or
say 10ft from the antenna is not a easy device to find.
So how do you guys test for correct radiated power from the antenna.
Thanks
Bear in mind that the FCC limit is based on field strength and not output power on FM. Therefore, concentrate on the field strength and ignore the power specs.
The only means available to me has been to set the transmitter by adjusting the whip antenna length to get a range of about 200 feet on a portable radio (it will be more, maybe 600 feet, on a car radio).
If all you want to do, such as I do here, is cover the house then adjust the transmitter to do just that. If you want to broadcast to neighbors then go for the 200 foot setting.
Neil
The output of the FM100 is internally adjustable, I believe. But even 5 microwatts probably will get you more than 200 feet. However, as stated, you can use the internal telescoping whip antenna and you should be able to adjust it to take you down to the 200 feet (i.e., shorten it to deliberately create a mismatch).
The FM100 is a good transmitter - it doesn't compare in quality to the MS-100 but it still sounds great.
Sorry I made a mistake on the Ramsey Transimitter.
It the FM100B model. Boy does this thing have a large amount of audio circuits and
mixing circuits. It also has the Auto Duck to cut out microphone audio.
Anyways Wow I knew the MS100 and MS100S were really good transmitters.
With over night shipping the transmitter only ran me $303.53.
Shipping was close to $64.00 of it.
Now I remember dacade made the MS-100 and the MS100S anyways
I think they quoted me with shippingng around $505 for the MS-100 which
is mono and the MS100S which is stereo for Around $550 plus shipping.
Anyways one good thing about them you know they output the max power
of 250uv @ 3 meters. Also they are FCC certified. That one that scares me running this transmitter since you really have to guess at the the radiated power.
I wish there was a piece of test equipment to measure it. I might have been
better to spend a few hundred dollars more and know the transmitter is putting out
the correct field strength,.,
I wish a company would just put out a tool for us to measure the field strength since
the FCC does say we can design and build our own transmitters. That is in the FCC
rules and the problems there is even if we design a transmitter it very hard
to measure the field strength. I thought about using a Oscilloscope since it could
see down to less than 250uv. My guess would be to hook a half wave dipole
antenna up to the Oscilloscope and see what signal strength it shows at 3 meters.
There alot of O-scopes that go above 100 mhz in frequency,and they can
measure down into the microvolts range.
Not sure if this is the best way to measure a field strength but it is one way of doing it.
Thanks
Simple....U6 the GAL-5 is actually the final output that puts 25 MW to the antenna.
With the 100B EX or getting the add on kit for the extra power the GAL 5 now is just the driver and the power transistor is now the final further amplifying the GAL-5 output.
- Be careful of the GAL-5...any static from your finger touching the antenna will blow it! It's very fragile!
- A good idea to get extras online
- Don't know why these black dots appeared and the text took on this format, and can't be bothered to try to fix it!!!
Mark
Hi Mark
Thanks for the info on GAL 5. I will make sure I buy some extra ones.
Also very suseptable to high SWR
Dear Sir
Does the GAL 5 go out easy to a high SWR,or is the transmitter having
a higher output impedance than 50 ohms. ???
Anyways I thought about the MS-100 transmitter,but it appearance is not as
nice as the Ramsey transmitter.
I was wrong about the MS-100S the stereo version is selling for $595.00
right now. So is it worth it. I know that I will be getting a Range Master
for the AM broadcasting,so I can get some good coverage.
Now If you took the MS-100 transmitter and placed it into a PVC type box
and mounted it at the top of a tower ,would this increase it range sinde it would still
maintain it 250 UV@ 3 meters. I just know FM radio is line of sight and the
higher the antenna the further the coverage. would the MS-100 get more
coverage it I get it really high mounted in a box on a tower ???
It sound like the Ramsey FM100B is not a good transmitter by what I am
hearing.
Thanks
Yes, you can put an MS-100 in a weatherproof box and get it high up - it works very well. I did it on Bowen Island, put it on a rooftop of a building which was at the top of a hill overlooking my intended coverage area - line of sight with no obstructions works amazingly with Part 15 FM. I fed audio and power to the transmitter with CAT-5 cable (about a 75 foot run). It ran that way for several years, 24/7, with no issues - the Decade is built like a tank, with quality components.
I've also owned and experimented with an FM-100B. Aside from the legality issues (it's much easier to get it to conform to the slightly lax'er Canadian regulations than the U.S. ones), it's simply not as high a quality a transmitter. Plus it's much larger and heavier, making it more difficult to fit inside a weatherproof enclosure.
You can also look at the Ramsey FM-30b which is same 25 MW power as the basic 100B but much smaller and lighter but uses the GAL-5 so you have the same problem of blowing it easily.
You can also take a look at the ACC-100 from Progressive Concepts which is built and small with NO surface mounts...all discrete components, made in US and has good filtering on board so little hum even with any power supply AC or DC. Fcc certified as comes right out of box with number. Output transister is easily obtainable anywhere 2N-5109. Great audio and I am using. Same price as Ramsey FM 30B but certified.
There is a provision for power increase with manual.
And NO I'm not one of their sales people!
Mark
I do have one more question. Is there any good way to test for the 250uv@3meters
that is required by the FCC or anyway to at least get into the ball park of that
power level.
Thanks
Sean,
If you re-read this thread you will find some suggestions.
Neil
