hams in apartments and hoa's

It is a good alternative to what seems a never ending situation with the HOA stuff.

Only weak link I see is the use of the web..which if that does go dark..so will control of your remote located station.

RFB

through the otard rule you are allowed a consumer endpoint for broadband data. if you put up a small enclosed 2.4ghz yagi you can claim its for broadband data service and they have to allow it.

then you locate the other end within LOS at a friend or relatives place or some other host off of hoa property but still nearby and just make a private point to point ip link using wifi and bypass the net entirely.

"if you put up a small enclosed 2.4ghz yagi you can claim its for broadband data service and they have to allow it."

That certainly avoids any HOA nonsense.

"Then you locate the other end within LOS at a friend or relatives place or some other host off of hoa property but still nearby and just make a private point to point ip link using wifi and bypass the net entirely."

That certainly avoids the net.

I doubt even with a yagi on each end is going to be LOS across 30 miles or even capable of covering a 30 mile hop so you would need a few repeaters.

Still a good idea IMO.

RFB

i hope crap like this being done to people during these economic times causes a huge backlash against HOA's and CCR's

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/128088/view/topic/Default.aspx

with it being election year if people started calling for heads to roll en masse the politicians would surely cave!!!

this along with the bans on flag poles, registered and operable cars in driveways, clothes lines, and other such stupid nonsensical covenants need to be outlawed at the federal level.

there has to be limits to the amount of micromanagement these people are allowed to do.

It's a shame that people would agree to such controlling contracts. And for what...a pretty block of pretty yards?

No one foresees things like that happening, but I have to say that unless the fine details are read and clearly understood, you really don't know what your signing up for down the road.

Things change, as do people's situations. Unfortunately once something is put down on legal document and signed, it is a binding contract no matter what, and would take legal action through a court to even TRY to change it.

Sometimes having pretty lawns and gardens is not worth the signing away of your rights over your own property.

Just as being safe is not worth signing away your rights and liberties.

RFB

problem is they drop a book of legal forms on you the size of the nynex telephone book and there is absolutely no way you can understand it on your own nor can a lawyer translate ever last inch of it for you so you can understand it.

then after you sign get another phone book of rules and regs dropped on you.

"problem is they drop a book of legal forms on you the size of the nynex telephone book...then after you sign get another phone book of rules and regs dropped on you."

Yep..all the while smiling at you and shaking your hand and giving the kid a lollipop and the dog a bone.

It's called "Confuse By Clutter" of the legal terminology and phrasing. Very common tactic used in the court room by attorneys. In there, the English language takes on a whole new meaning completely. Same is true with all those forms and rules they drop in the lap.

I am sure there is some sort of benefit signing up to such things. For the life of me..that/those benefit/s eludes me and always has and is why I will never put myself or my family in such a position.

To me that is not living, but living for everyone else's standards, which 9 times out of 10, everyone else is not living up to everyone else's standards either..behind the closed front door.

Such arrangements of living will make it very easy for DHS to implement their monitoring scheme. The residents will have no problem with it simply because they have already agreed to set aside their sovereignty on their ownership of their property to a special interest group who happens to live on the same block..who would not care about your needs or plans..only their own.

Ironically, they too will face those roadblocks they so gladly signed up for when they want to do something different from the rest.

Maybe they should start calling those cluster communities "Borgville". JMO.

RFB

the other issue is now they are REQUIRED not VOLUNTARY on all new developments built. the idea behind them originally was to maintain common area's and drainage spillways but have gradually phased in a communist type regime that the public at large has been conditioned to accept. it is getting to a point that in some area's the greater denver area here being one of them that there is really no where you can go within the beltway that does not have an hoa or CCR's attached. there is a simple solution to ccrs/hoas. they could simply require hoa's to follow the county/city/municipal building/zoning regulations and only be there to do what they were originally intended to. maintain the common areas. period. not be little micromanaging hitler like defacto governments.

Ya I read about that some time ago. They want to turn every neighborhood, every town, every city, every farm and ranch into a one federal standard format.

They want to impose these ridiculous regulations and standards in everyone's homes no matter where you live or what kind of different weather conditions there are from one location to another. And get this...they can do an inspection of your home to see if it meets their pathetic standards and if not, charge you with a fine PLUS the inspection fee PLUS daily additional fine if you still live in YOUR home if the inspection finds it not up to THEIR standards!

How about that folks..only in America can you be charged with a federal offense for living in YOUR OWN HOME if it has a slight leak in the window pane letting heat out, or for a teeny tiny drip from a faucet, or using an AC unit you just bought 5 years ago but doesn't meet the current energy saving standard!

Credit cards not accepted.

Just wait..if that is not bad enough, the DHHS (Dept. of Health and Human Services) wants to implement a health inspection program too! That's right...now the health police can charge you for eating that fatty hamburger or pizza while watching the football game dowsing it all down with a cool one.

Only in America. It' can't happen here though can it! Yet it is right in front of everyone and folks are being trained and brain conditioned to believe it is normal.

I find the whole thing disgusting..and NOT American.

RFB

some of these places even have nazi's that will inspect for suspected RF transmitter sources and hidden antenna's emanating from within your own walls.

some of these places are that foaming of the mouth against RF of any kind beyond garage door openers and cell phones.

i think this is and this one secret unknown company buying up all us gun makers is how they are going to take our right to bear arms.

the constitution and declaration of independence only applies to governments not private corporations or so called voluntary (even if subtlety cohorsed) contracts.

this is why me and my honey are considering vacating the country it is getting too scary for us here.

when they successfully take away our guns then it's time to be really scared.

"when they successfully take away our guns then it's time to be really scared."

I am still waiting for their explanation as to how they intend to impose taking away our guns upon the criminals who get their guns on the black market.

Since when do crooks ever abide by rules and regulations other than their own!

The common people need to wake up because the right to protect yourself and your family and your home is being ripped out from under them like a table cloth pulled swiftly out from under an expensive set of dinner ware. And no one will notice...just like the dinner ware still sitting on the table after yanking out the cloth from under them. All will seem normal eh...that is until their home gets a visit by a robber who does not care about gun laws, does not care about HOA or CCR or other repressive regulation, and will no doubt use that gun while the home owner and occupants are left helpless because of the stripping of our right to have guns.

No one sees the flaw until the flaw bites them in the arse..then they yell "what is going on?"!!

For me the time to consider exiting this once great land called the USA is when we really do see military uniformed soldiers patrolling our neighborhoods and cities..all asking for our papers and randomly rounding up "suspected" individuals with no evidence or right to representation or right to a speedy trial.

Yep..history repeating. It's the same exact procedures done in Nazi Germany after Hitler became chancellor. It was not until that regime was being shoved back onto their own territory that they said.."oh wait we screwed up and took away all the citizens guns and now they can't help us fight!" And near the end of WWII..what did the Nazi's do with everyday citizens..including children?

Why..they armed them up with MP-40's and rocket launchers and mines and said "Kreig Macht Frei"

Mirror mirror on the wall....who's the more foolish of them all...the fool or the fool who follows.

RFB

I've done ham radio in stealth mode
all of my life. The idea of a remotely
controlled station is a wonderful idea.
Especially with this new kind of gear.

I don't know if this is of any interest,
but the 10 meter band is starting to open
up like a bunch of firecrackers. And all of
us hams know that when 10 is open, you can
work real far without much power. And THAT
can be pretty stealth, too.

A week or so ago, there were 88 sunspots visible
on good old Sol. In November, 6 meters opened up
for F2 skip from New England to Washington state.

I expect the F2 MUF to be back up in the Spring and
next fall.

I remember a couple of solar cycle peaks back a friend
of mine had a 3 watt PEP ssb six meter rig in his car.
He was running it into a 2 meter 5/8 wave antenna, because he
didn't have anything for 6 mounted on his car. He was on
the road in Connecticut.

He called CQ on 50.110 MHz and his little mobile signal was
40 dB over S9 in San Francisco!

Also, not too long ago, I worked Florida with a 10 meter
handie talkie here in Connecticut. Sometime after, the
10 meter handi talkie just stopped working. What a bummer!

Anyway, the remotely controlled station sounds great. But
it's also a good time for QRP stealth contacts on some
of the bands.

My brother is a ham. He got his Novice license in 1985 and
still has it. He is good at so many things, but he has no
feeling for communications electronics. If he was to have remote
control capability at his house, I could put the rig at
my house and then he wouldn't have to worry about the radio
part at all! I know that sounds silly, but it would be fun
to try.

Best Wishes,
Bruce, DOGRADIO STUDIO 2

I mentioned the other day that 73 Magazine is archived at archive.org, and as I paged through them, I saw a detailed article with pictures about a secret antenna some guys "added" to their community living building in such a way that nobody was the wiser, and the antenna worked very well for them in HAM communications.

You might find it by scrolling over there, but if I can pin down exactly where it is I'll share the information.

Carl:

I really enjoyed looking at those 73 magazines.

It really brought back memories.

Bruce, DOGRADIO STUDIO 2