You're listening to The Motormouth of the East, from W60HZ, being heard by anyone up the pole.
There actually used to be a station called "The Mouth of the South", I think. It seems familiar.
Regarding FM, try listening to your weak FM station on your TECSUN PL-310.
My 310 has the best FM section I have ever found in a radio. My transmitters, C.Crane and Wholehouse 2.0, can be heard through the walls everywhere in the house and outdoors all around the yard. The other radios will not do that.
If you get your CC transmitter set just right, people will think they're getting a station a hundred miles away.
You could even announce, "Coming to you from a hundred miles away, this is W60HZ."
Yup. W60HZ is a real low power
operation.
I am thrilled, though, that the
signal is in the AM line, for
some distance, anyway. This is
something I have been trying to
do on and off, for years. I have
also learned more about electronics.
This is off the topic, but I will
briefly mention it here. I just
listened to LPH # 56. You and Lefty
were great, and the transmitter parade
was hilarious!
Oh well, back to the grind.
Thanks again, Carl, for a great show!
Bruce, "W60HZ" AM 1020 Carrier Current
Since the FCC requires "something", I think "proof of measurement from X distance from the "source" based on frequency, I am disturbed at the thought of an inspection when I least expect it, such as while having an indoor transmitter parade.
Meanwhile, I am learning how to actually measure something, I'm just trying to figure out what the "source" is, which I thought I knew until rich stepped in and confused the issue, all in the interest of making sure we're legal at all times, with the caveat "you may not care."
But, like I say, there's no rush. Got no epic programs that seven unknown people would probably miss anyway because they don't scan the AM dial.
It would be silly to receive a NOUO for a station no one ever heard.
But it would also be silly if someone heard it.
Bruce W60HZ has the right idea.
rich stepped in and confused the issue, all in the interest of making sure we're legal at all times,...
Rich doesn't want to make sure everyone is legal. He only believes that people are entitled to know what "being legal" requires, whether or not they choose to operate that way.
The FCC rule doesn't allow much room for confusion, IMO:
§ 15.221 Operation in the band 525-1705 kHz.
(a) Carrier current systems and transmitters employing a leaky coaxial
cable as the radiating antenna may operate in the band 525-1705 kHz
provided the field strength levels of the radiated emissions do not
exceed 15 uV/m, as measured at a distance of 47,715/(frequency in kHz)
meters (equivalent to Lambda/2Pi) from the electric power line or the
coaxial cable, respectively.
But proving compliance to that rule even with a accurate field strength meter probably is impossible, because the ambient radio noise level at most locations is many times higher than the FCC limit for CC systems.
PS: Stating reality does not constitute a "negative" post.
It's all just information
to me.
Learn a little bit more and more,
and apply it.
Thanks for the info. It gives me
more to think about.
Because of my medical situations,
I am loosing my house which we've
lived in for a;most 22 years.
I'm not trying to be dramatic, although
it probably sounds that way. It will
probably be a real good thing to start
over.
But getting a break from thinking about
moving, and where we are going to go,
and how we are going to get there, and
how we are going to stay there - is a
survival tactic here. We don't have a car
either. It self destructed due to heavy
use over the years. My wife has a 130
mile commute to work (both ways) every day.
So we have to figure that out. But four weeks
ago, the timing belt broke and blew the
engine insides to pieces.
After all of that, I welcome anything you
have to say, Rich. And anything from
anybody else.
This is reality, too. But I sure wish it
wasn't.
Best Wishes,
Bruce, "W Sixty H Z" AM 1020 Carrier Current
It makes me feel really good
to know that I am understanding
(almost) how to build a good
carrier current coupler.
All I have to do is design
it and find the parts.
This is something to look
forward too, no mater where
we go.
Bruce, "W Sixty H Z" AM 1020 CC
I was responding to the use of the word "source" as used in recent posts, and the idea that AM radios connected to "the source" were the significant measurement starting point, but as I see it now you (rich) were putting a subtle humor onto what RFB had posted when he used the term "source" rather than "electric power lines" (did that happen?).
Heading always in the general direction of reality, I am not certain (so far) which "power lines" are being involved using the neutral injection method.
Yup. I shouldn't have
"gucked up" the Carrier
Current Journal with my
personal situation.
A moment of weakness.
The Carrier Current Journal
must move on! With no guck.
Oh CRUD! I dropped my pencil
and the dog is eating it.
"Hey! Doggies don't eat pencils!
Are you listening to me?"
"Hey Hoover! Where are you going..."
"No. Don't try to eat the..."
(Sound of kitchen table falling over.)
"No! Not the pizza - - "
Maybe we have something for a
radio comedy here.
Bruce, "W Sixty H Z" AM 1020 Carrier Current
Bruce you are a wonderful radio comedy and it hurts your current carrying friends to know what you are going through. It is good, I guess, in small ways, to be able to post here and share thoughts and experiences.
Part 15 men are purpose driven. Everything must be done to make stations happen.
Part 15 women will be arriving any day now.
"Could RFB or anyone else mathematically/legally prove that the source for a compliant FCC CC system is located solely at the injection point?"
Sure..how about you provide the proof. Do you have such a setup and has it ever been inspected?
By all means..educate us. Instead of going around preaching, how about a demonstration.
Talk is cheap, actions speak a lot louder.
RFB
This is about 8 houses away,
about 800 feet away.
I'm sure they will let me in
there once in a while to check
if my CC signal is audible inside
their home.
Today luck was not with us.
There was so much RFI in their
house, I could barely hear WTIC,
AM, 50,000 watts. I'll have to
go back another time and try
again.
So, this reception test was not
a success. However, when my
3 meter stick was up with 100 mW
DC in, they did hear my station
in their house. For whatever it's
worth.
Bruce, 1020 CC, "W sixty H Z"
Thank you Carl!
The Carrier Current Journal
must go on!
And it will!
Bruce, "W sixty H Z, 1020 CC AM
The carrier current station at this location is presently an occasional test station, until I fully comprehend the beast.
There is no intended audience, only the interest of doing it for its own sake, perhaps not an American stand point, but in any case there is no hurry to be on permanently.
I may someday do as you did Bruce, stroll down the street placing a radio near the power poles while pretending to be on the telephone.
Whatever happens, it is reassuring to have a carrier current station in the house.
If I get buried in snow, I can broadcast pleas for help.
Given a lack of AM listeners, no help will summon, but it will seem like I at least had a slim chance.
Hello!
I enjoyed your comment.
As for the CC thing, I like just
trying to make the building blocks
work. I intend to try again at
that house down the street.
Right now, I am on a computer
that I really can't see, so I
am going to go.
But, I'll be back! To you people
reading this thread 5 years from
now:
There will be more experimenting.
I doesn't end here!
Bruce, The Big Sixty Herrrrrrrrrrrtz!
I found a carrier current article
from a 1942 QST.
This is available on the ARRL
website. You have to be a member
of the organization to get the info -
I just happen to be a member.
Stepping back a second:
It is fascinating to look at these old
articles. It appears that, although
full issues of QST are not on the
achieve, many articles are available
from ALL QSTs, all the way back to
1915. (Some recent years might not
be in the archives, I'm not sure.)
Anyway, getting back to this CC article -
I just started to read it. It is from either
February or March 1942.
In this first article that I'm am looking at,
They are calling the CC technology "wired wireless."
It seems the people involved were trying to use
power levels between 25 and 50 watts, with morse
code. The operating frequencies mentioned here
were in the 170 to 200 kHz range. It was felt that
higher frequencies would not stay in the power
lines, so the hams decided to be down on longwave.
I need to read this article fully, and see if there are
more articles on the CC subject. I bet there ARE more.
It was World War 2, and I believe MOST ham operations
were off the air, per U.S. government orders. Those
guys loved radio just like us, and they had to figure
out some way to communicate. CC was one of the
answers.
I'm going to go through the QSTs from 1942 to 1945.
This is going to take a while. If anyone else is interested
in looking these years over for CC info, that would be
cool.
In an unrelated subject from a 1945 QST, I saw a
mention of FM BCB E skip. As we know, in those
days, the FM BCB ran from about 42 to 50 MHz.
However, there must have been some exceptions.
One ham noted that he heard an FM station on
39 MHz. I am assuming this was a broadcast
station, and not some kind of point to point
station, but I could be wrong. This ham also
made note of WSM FM from that time! He heard
WSM FM on E-skip. I do not know where he was
located. I'll have to try to find that note again.
(For broadcast historians, WSM on 650 kHz has got
to be one of the most famous AM stations.)
Well, for what ever it's worth. My CC set-up on
1020 kHz continues to evolve. I will continue to
post whatever I find in this current experiment.
It has been fun.
Bruce, W 60 HZ - - AM 1020 CC