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 FairBol
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Just ran across an interesting station in my nightly travels...."WCNX-AM" in Middletown, CT (they appear to be broadcasting the state high school basketball tournaments).  They apparently have an on-air signal at 1710 khz.  Anybody ever heard of them? A search on Radio-Locator for that station turns up nothing....are they unlicensed, Part 15, or what? Inquiring minds want to know.  🙂


 
Posted : 02/03/2018 6:29 pm
 Anonymous
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Could be a college station you are picking up. How close is the station to where you live? Or are the schools they are covering the basketball near you?

If they were part 15 and more than a mile from you, you wouldn't be getting it. Especially at night.

 


 
Posted : 02/03/2018 9:46 pm
 Anonymous
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Website here:

 

http://www.wcnxradio.com/


 
Posted : 03/03/2018 5:44 am
 Anonymous
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going to take a flyer and say they area neutral loaded carrier current under 15.223 or a full blown pirate.


 
Posted : 03/03/2018 6:46 am
 Anonymous
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They're active members of the local Chamber of Commerce. 


 
Posted : 04/03/2018 4:56 am
 Anonymous
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They've been at it a while. This article mentions their one mile radius coverage and their use of streaming:

 

https://www.middletownpress.com/sports/article/Column-Holy-sh-cow-The-rise-of-WCNX-radio-11810709.php

 

There are quite a few other articles about them if you dig enough. 

 

Here's another:

 

https://www.middletownpress.com/news/article/WCNX-radio-recording-holiday-messages-to-troops-11811580.php

 

TIB


 
Posted : 04/03/2018 5:14 am
 Anonymous
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Digging and Poking

For some reason the left side of the WCNX website is off the screen on my computer and it doesn't allow me to scroll to the left, making me unable to find their LISTEN player.

Looking at the Source page I was able to pick out the stream IP address and here it is.

WCNX Shoutcast Link

WCNX is very professionaly produced and exceptionally good audio quality.


 
Posted : 04/03/2018 8:53 am
 Anonymous
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Well, I did the obvious thing and emailed them, just curious about their station. Asked them if they were part 15, etc.  I did not ask for permission to share this reply, but will anyway. Makes sense to me except the part about the "experimental part of the band". 

One other note.  His comment about being successful as a streaming station is not unheard of, as much as many here won't believe it. WREN in Topeka (streaming only) continues to be in the top of the ratings there, to the point where the IHeart and Cumulus and Clear Channel stations tried to petition neilson to noot include them in the ratings book since they weren't "real radio".  Yet there they are, years later, with a full staff of announcers and sale people with offices and studios just like "real radio". So, yes. It can be done. 

 

Late good afternoon !
 
We are technically an internet radio station with a low powered
AM signal @ 1710 AM ( range is about 1.5 miles ) that operates
under Part 15 of the FCC Rules and Regulations.
 
The FCC considers the radio band between 1610 and 1710 an
" experimental band " ; no licensing is necessary.
 
We only have the AM signal because we are situated just off
Main Street in Middletown, Connecticut and our AM signal
carries the entire length of Main Street so people who work
" downtown " can pick us up on 1710 AM.
 
99% of our listening audience is online. That is where the
listeners have gone. They have vacated the AM and FM stations
in droves ( at least here in Connecticut ! )
 
My wife and I only started this station back in 1 January 2007
as the local AM station - with 2,500 watts of power - refused to
cover any of the local sports of any of the local high schools.
The owner lives 1 1/2 hours from Middletown - down toward
New York - and only shows up a couples times a week.
 
Back in 2008 he even complained to the FCC about us. They
actually came to my home. Since we are an internet station, there
was nothing they legally could do. They stayed for about 2 hours ;
had lunch at my home and the advice they gave me was to keep
our programming " as local as you can get it ".
 
We have done that.
 
The results is that we are beating our cross town competitor to
a pulp.
 
We have even attracted 8 businesses who advertise on our station.
 
Life is nice.
 
JOHN E CLARK
WCNX
 
 

 
Posted : 04/03/2018 3:04 pm
 Anonymous
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WCNX and the "experimental band":  "The FCC considers the radio band between 1610 and 1710 an" experimental band ""

So, I searched "experimental band" and got pages of "experimental rock bands". It's a music genre.


 
Posted : 04/03/2018 3:42 pm
 Anonymous
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I am curious as to the transmitter they are using.  My guess it's a Rangemaster.


 
Posted : 05/03/2018 6:44 am
 Anonymous
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Maybe so, I just came here to ask the same question.

And what kind of antenna setup do they have?

We would like to talk with their engineer... how did they find their engineer?

Somebody get those folks to sign in here and become full members of our Radio Army.


 
Posted : 05/03/2018 7:18 am
 Anonymous
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I took a look at their location but could not see anything.


 
Posted : 05/03/2018 7:35 am
 Anonymous
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I didn't think that you could get 1.5 miles range legally on 1710 (it's outside Part15.219).


 
Posted : 05/03/2018 4:25 pm
 Anonymous
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the only thing he could be doing is neutral load carrier current under 15.223


 
Posted : 05/03/2018 4:32 pm
 Anonymous
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From §15.223:  The field strength of any emission within the band 1.705-10.0 MHz shall not exceed 100 microvolts/meter at a distance of 30 meters. However, if the bandwidth of the emission is less than 10% of the center frequency, the field strength shall not exceed 15 microvolts/meter or (the bandwidth of the device in kHz) divided by (the center frequency of the device in MHz) microvolts/meter at a distance of 30 meters, whichever is the higher level. For the purposes of this section, bandwidth is determined at the points 6 dB down from the modulated carrier. The emission limits in this paragraph are based on measurement instrumentation employing an average detector. ...

The text shown in bolded characters above permits the greatest field strength for a typical, legal AM transmit system permitted by this paragraph -- which at a distance of 30 meters is 15 µV/m, not 100 µV/m.

Unfortunately, there are few, if any, consumer-level AM  broadcast receivers (or receive locations, for that matter) where a signal strength of 15 µV/m would provide an acceptable/useful signal-to-noise ratio in the audio output of that receiver.  Even if receivers could do that, a legal system under §15.223 could not provide a useful coverage area having a radius of a mile or more, unless all or most receivers in that area were located within a 30-meter distance from a radiating conductor of the a-c power lines.

AM broadcast receivers that are powered directly from the a-c line are close enough to it to receive a much higher, legal field strength than 15 µV/m, because they are in the extreme near field of the radiating conductor(s) of the a-c power line they are plugged in to.  But that higher field drops very rapidly to below the noise floor when a battery-operated receiver such as a car radio or "Walkman" is located more than several meters away from the nearest radiating conductor of the a-c power lines.


 
Posted : 06/03/2018 4:44 am
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