Our intrepid @mark refuted that claim, and a few days ago that guy came back in Bill DeFelice style, claiming the inverse square law of physics applies here, and also stating his extensive background in radio and physics.

Well, that guy is just plain wrong.  He's right in that he claimed that the inverse square law with "intensities" is universal in physics.  However, it's power that follows the inverse square law here.

The electric field strength in the far field of an antenna is relatively predictable, at least in a vacuum in space, and is inversely and LINEARLY proportional to the distance from the antenna.

In the near field, calculating it is very complex, and there are cube and quadruple exponential factors involved.

For FM, the near field ends, and the far field begins, very close to the antenna; at 3 meters, which is where certification is measured, you are in the far field.

The guy then went on to quote that FM signals could cover the nation if the linear inverse law held; that's actually quite true, at least in space, with absolutely no obstructions.  However, on Earth, you have reflections and scattering from a myriad of sources, not the least of which is the ground, buildings, even particles in the air.

The more distance the field potentially travels, the more obstructions.

That's why, even though theory states that you can get 1000 feet or more from a Part 15 compliant FM signal, in most cases you're lucky to get 200 feet.  Unless, of course, you're totally in the open, with highly sensitive receivers and antennas.

I guess HB isn't the only source of misinformation.

@richpowers Half a mile from indoors is not bad. It's like what I get. That Alesis nano compressor/limiter is similar to the FMR one you were talking about before but they stopped making that one too except used. I should look into that DNR noise reducer to see what it is and does.

The focus here on his first line "Half a mile from indoors is not bad. It's like what I get" I'd say that's pretty damn good for a legal install. That translates to a one mile radius (not necessarily though). But the question is what are your surroundings in that one mile radius where your signal is receivable? I've always had problems with the buildings in the immediate area blocking or attuning the signal by the time it crosses the street. In open areas it's an entirely different ballgame, you can well exceed a mile radius with a legal installation.. 

Scientists determine that electrons in graphene defy established laws of physics
https://www.earth.com/news/scientists-determine-that-electrons-in-graphene-defy-established-laws-of-physics/
Researchers have found that electrons in graphene can break a long-standing rule of metal physics, separating heat flow from electrical flow by more than 200 times at low temperatures... .. ... The same physics that splits heat from charge could make graphene useful in sensors built for extremely weak signals.

When carriers move collectively, a tiny disturbance can redirect the whole current pattern instead of nudging isolated particles. ... Next steps will likely push toward cleaner devices, broader temperature tests, and sensors that use this collective electronic regime on purpose.

https://www.earth.com/news/scientists-determine-that-electrons-in-graphene-defy-established-laws-of-physics/

102 SS Whip vs Homemade CB Radio Base Antenna
Range testing and comparison of a 102" SS whip antenna. and a Homemade antenna. Both have 2 Ground plane wires, the 102 has stainless ground plane, the homemade is all copper.
https://youtu.be/QdRCLFglFQg?si=Re-EkEzA0CpRP75a
"I cut mine to 103.5 inches. used stiff #14 solid copper wire and expanding foam. started out with 104" for all wires, and trimmed all wires equally to tune it. I recommend using number 12 or 14 copper house wire, because it will stay straight in the pipe. ...."

He also mentioned he filled the PVC pipe with expanding foam. I think it's interesting but wonder why not just use a 8' copper pipe? Wouldn't that be more effective due to the wider diameter?

Some of the comments:

One guy said: "«Only 2 things | would do different 1) The PVC would fit over the mast pipe with 2 stainless bolts with washers & Lock nuts to hold it to eliminate clamps. 2) I would use smaller diameter sections of PVC stepping it down smaller with each section to the tip for better wind resistance.

To which he replied:
You think like I do, originally I was going to have it slip over the mast pipe, but My local hardware store did not have the pipe or fittings I needed to do it that way. the wind is not a problem here, even in Our worst storms this antenna barely moves. Thanks for the comment, and I'm glad | got You thinking. 73's from 151 SC.

This video details how he built it:
https://youtu.be/6DNIpUZvI2k?si=ERdIuXao325Sg1Iy

Doesn't that sound like a beautiful little operation! It is, no doubt. But that's not all he's upgraded. He goes on about how he's raised his transmitter from the 11' it's been at for a few years, but now raised it to 20', grounded to the steel pole and his range has doubled to 3 to 4 miles.. he shows clear pictures of the install  and everything.

One comment simply said "Completely illegal.", then in a follow up comment concluded by saying: "... .. In addition, he has the guts to actually commanded to admit how he is breaking the law on a Facebook group.  Wow!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1KATLAx9hU/

https://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/2025/10/am-field-strength-measurements/

I have been finishing up a project which required detuning a new monopole installed near an AM tower. One requirement was a series of field strength measurements along six evenly spaced radials around the AM tower.

The point is to see if there is any effect in the omni-directional AM signal (there should not be). For this, I used the venerable Potomac Instruments FIM-41. . ... used Google Maps to generate a set of points along each radial then noted the coordinates and .. ..

Field strength readings follow the inverse square law. Whatever the increase in the distance factor from the radiator, the electrical field will decrease inversely by the square of that factor. Thus, if the distance increases by 3, the field will decrease by a factor of 9.

This can be seen in a field strength vs distance graph which I plotted on an Excel spreadsheet:

https://www.engineeringradio.us/blog/2025/10/am-field-strength-measurements/

Had the international standards of measurement changed? Or had it just been established?

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The 3-meter antenna limit in FCC regulations was not a response to a recent change in international standards, but rather a reflection of a longstanding international consensus on the metric system, combined with the U.S. government's policy to increasingly align its technical regulations with that system.

Here is the context regarding the international standards and U.S. adoption:
International System of Units (SI) established early: The modern metric system (known as the International System of Units or SI) was established by international agreement in 1960. The United States was an original signatory to the Metre Convention of 1875, which created the framework for international measurement standards and the governing body, the International Bureau of Weights and Measures (BIPM).

U.S. metrication policy: The U.S. has had a national policy to adopt the metric system since the Metric Conversion Act of 1975, as amended in 1988, which designated the metric system as the "preferred system of weights and measures for United States trade and commerce". This act required federal agencies, including the FCC, to use the metric system in their business-related activities wherever feasible.

Use in FCC Rules: The FCC adopted metric units for many of its technical specifications to align with this federal policy and to ensure interoperability and consistency with global standards and the scientific community. The use of "3 meters" in 47 CFR § 15.219(b) reflects this policy of using the internationally recognized standard of measurement for new or revised technical regulations.

Therefore, the international standard (SI metric) has been in place for decades and the FCC incorporated it into its rules as part of a general, ongoing U.S. government effort toward metrication, not in response to a sudden change in the standard itself.





In feet and inches, how long is 3 meters?

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Three meters is approximately 9 feet and 10.11 inches, or about 9 feet 10 inches when using common approximations.

A more precise breakdown is as follows:
Decimal feet: 3 meters is approximately 9.84 feet.

Feet and inches: 3 meters is equal to 9 feet, plus approximately 10 and 1/8 inches (or 10 and 7/64 inches if very precise).



You said the U.S. had initiated with International Units System in 1875 further established by international agreement in 1960, expanded by the Metric Conversion Act of 1975, then further amended in 1988... Well, when did 15.219 change it's measurements to "10 feet"? 1996?.. There had been numerous amendments to the rule since the 1970s... So that brings us back to the original question; Why did the FCC change the antenna stipulation in the rule now known as 15.219 from 10 feet to 3 meters?

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The premise of the question contains a misunderstanding: the FCC did not change the rule's measurement from "10 feet" to "3 meters". The limit has been specified as 3 meters since the rule was established in its current form.
The history of the rule is as follows:

1970s and earlier: The regulations for low-power operation in this frequency range were different and often specified power input limits (e.g., 100 milliwatts DC input power) rather than antenna length. Measurements for field strength limits were often specified at distances like 30 meters or 100 feet.

1989 Rule Revision: The current 47 CFR § 15.219 was largely established as part of a comprehensive revision of Part 15 rules. The rule, effective April 25, 1989, explicitly used the measurement of "3 meters" for the antenna length limit. This was done to align the FCC's technical regulations with the federally mandated policy for using the metric system (Metric Conversion Act of 1975, amended 1988) and to conform with international measurement standards.

Consistency: The actual physical limit has always been intended to be approximately 10 feet. The change was one of nomenclature and standardization, not a change in the technical restriction itself.

The use of "3 meters" provides a precise, internationally recognized standard that avoids the minor ambiguity of using "10 feet" which is a less precise conversion (3 meters is approx. 9.84 feet). Therefore, the FCC did not change the antenna stipulation from one limit to another; they established the rule using the standard metric measurement.




Ok what you refer to as "1970s and earlier", was actually since 1956 when the alternate rule (15.219) had been created. The primary reason for it's creating was "to make it easier" (that may or may not be the direct quote, but a that's what it said) to make it easier for hobbyists to build their own transmitters without the need of expensive test equipment to assure compliance.

As for the 1989 Rule Revision, you're probably correct that's when it changed to 10 feet, I thought it had been later. -- But still the question remains; if the international measurement had been established in the 1960s, then why did the FCC not change the measurements in 15.219 until 1986?



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The FCC did not change the antenna length limit in § 15.219 from "10 feet" to "3 meters" in 1986 or any other time. Instead, the limit has been consistently 3 meters in the modern rule.

The delay in adopting the metric measurement in the U.S., including in specific FCC rules like 15.219, can be attributed to several factors:



Agency Prioritization and Phased Adoption: The FCC implemented its metric conversion program over time in different rule parts. The 1989 comprehensive revision of Part 15 was a significant step where many technical specifications were standardized to metric units to align with federal policy and international norms, but this process occurred on an agency-by-agency and rule-by-rule basis.

Consistent Physical Limit: The 3-meter measurement in the updated rule was chosen as a metric equivalent to the approximate 10-foot limit that had been a de facto standard or an associated operational constraint in previous rule interpretations. The goal was to maintain the same technical limitation on signal range and interference potential while using the internationally recognized standard (SI).

Therefore, the "delay" was part of a gradual, voluntary, and often slow, U.S. transition to the metric system over many decades, with the FCC adopting the 3-meter metric standard during a major regulatory update in 1989.



From 1956 to 1988 shown across several rule changes, the alternate rule (25.219) always stipulated specifically "10 feet", that's undisputed, you're incorrect.

I understand your assertion that the rule stipulated "10 feet" between 1956 and 1988. However, my previous research indicates that the current version of the rule has consistently used the "3 meters" measurement since its comprehensive rewrite in 1989. Historical records do not readily confirm a direct change within the text of 47 CFR § 15.219 from "10 feet" to "3 meters".

To resolve this disagreement, more historical documentation is needed to verify the precise wording of the regulation between 1956 and 1988. My previous searches have not found the specific regulatory text from that era.

If the historical rule did use "10 feet" (which is approximately 3.048 meters), and it was later changed to "3 meters" (approximately 9.84 feet), the minor difference in length (about 2 inches) would still have been primarily a change in nomenclature to align with the federal metrication policy, rather than a significant change in the technical limitation itself. The 10-foot measurement was likely an informal approximation or a previous iteration of a separate rule that was later consolidated into the metric-defined 15.219 during the 1989 rewrite.


What year did the alternate rule become number 15.219?

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The rule section became number 15.219 in 1989, as part of a major reorganization and revision of Part 15 of the FCC rules.

Prior to that, the substance of the rule (allowing low-power operation in the AM band under an alternative standard) existed under a different rule number, specifically § 15.111 (formerly § 15.7) of the rules as they existed between 1956 and 1989.

The 1989 rule change consolidated and renumbered many disparate regulations into the current, more logically structured Part 15 subparts and sections, at which point the "3 meters" metric measurement was formally introduced into the text of the new § 15.219(b).



Yes, and in those previous numbered incarnations of the rules they state 10 feet, not 3 meters.

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You are correct that the earlier incarnations of the rule specified "10 feet." The rule governing the operation of low-power AM devices, previously found in § 15.111 (and earlier § 15.7), specified an antenna length limit of "10 feet" from 1956 until the 1989 revision.

The reason the FCC changed the measurement from "10 feet" to "3 meters" during the 1989 rule revision was to align its regulations with the federal government's mandate to adopt the metric system (International System of Units or SI).


Practical Equivalence: The change from "10 feet" (exactly 3.048 meters) to "3 meters" (approximately 9.84 feet) was a very minor technical adjustment (a difference of about 2 inches) and was intended to maintain the same practical limitation on the device's signal strength while using the internationally recognized unit.

So, while the physical rule remained largely unchanged in practice, the official measurement system in the Code of Federal Regulations was updated to reflect the U.S. government's metrication policy.

Thanks dude, you've been very helpful, even though not reliable with facts.

Thank you for the feedback. I apologize for the initial confusion and misstatements regarding the historical wording of the FCC rules.

You were correct that the earlier versions of the rule specified "10 feet." My earlier responses did not accurately reflect the history of the rule's specific text.

I appreciate you providing the correct historical context, which allowed me to provide a more accurate and helpful answer explaining the transition to metric units due to U.S. federal metrication policies. Your input significantly improved the accuracy of the final explanation.

That was the inquiry and discussion I just had with Google AI.

I was looking at a house that was near tracks (although it's difficult where I live NOT to be near tracks), and was wondering.  It remains to be seen (if I ever do try it) how well Part 15 radio waves would do.

The RF field strength of a transmitter in the far field decreases linearly as a function of distance.  So let's consider BETS-1, which allows 100uv/m at 30 meters.  30 meters is definitely in the far field for an FM broadcast signal.  The near field for a quarter wave antenna is generally a wavelength or 2, you then enter a transition zone of a wavelength or two, and finally go into the far field.  The wavelength for a 100 Mhz FM signal is approximately 3 meters.

So for the far field; your field strength at 30 meters is 100uv/m, and if you double the distance, you half the field strength.  At a distance of 60 meters, your field strength would be 50uv/m.  And so on.  That's assuming no ground reflections, obstructions, etc. which can scatter your signal, decrease it or even add to it.

In the near field, however, field strength behaves much differently, and can decrease by exponential factors (squared or even cubed) related to distance.  Behavior in the transition zone is somewhere in between.

The field strength for a Part15.239 compliant transmitter is 250uv/m at 3 meters, which can be in the near field.  However, that field strength will degrade more rapidly in the near and transition fields than that of BETS-1, which is measured in the far field.   So even though it appears at first glance that BETS-1 signals are about 4 times stronger than Part15.239, in reality they're much stronger than that in the near field (to get you that 100uv/m measurement).

Interestingly, the near field is not as large for electrically shorter antennas.  So for transmitters such as the Whole House 3, whose antenna is a 6 inch piece of wire (wrapped up in a rubber deck cover), 3 meters would likely be in the transition or even the far field.  That would mean that a 250uv/m field strength signal measured at that 3 meters would degrade more slowly over distance than a transmitter which had a full size antenna.

What that implies is that not all field strengths are equal, even though they are(?!).